Leaky_Faucet

Yeah, I don't know what to make on Young. I really didn't/don't feel like Young is what Morgan & Co. is really looking for. He has earned a reputation for not giving a damn in his last two roles. I feel pretty confident that Fuller will be signed. He has a good relationship with Evero and Cooley among others. Clowney on the other hand.. I think both sides want him to be here but it just comes to down to money really. Wonnum? eh, I don't really know.

So according to the "Fitzgerald-Spielberger Trade Value Chart" they had Sam Howell valued at 199 points. Basically the value of pick 251 (late 7th) in the draft.

Panthers have about 33-35 million in cap space, so it’s not a cash problem. Hunt only counted 6 million or so this year and Lewis was less than that. Plus they could get some more off of restructuring Moton, even though they aren’t wanting to.

I imagine Carolina will still spend one of their Day 2 picks on a C. Corbett has played the role but seems to perform better at OG hence why he has been placed there by the Browns and Rams prior.

Right...

You all should listen to this fellow.

You guys should check out Giants fans right now. They just made a 5-year commitment to pay a guy 30 million per season who can't defend the run and averages 8-9 sacks annually (and gave up draft capitol to get him) There were no winners in this trade, you all should relax.

Where's the guy that told me it was going to be a 3rd or less? 2nd, 5th, and 24 million in cap space isn't bad. I wouldn't be upset if I were a fan, the Giants made him the second highest paid Edge- I don't think this fanbase wanted that.

Cousins to Atlanta.

is/was.

Think the plan is to try and trade him first.

I'm not saying the Panthers would get Deshaun Watson type trade compensation, but a single 3rd is a bit ridiculous. As I have said before, a couple of day 2 picks is reasonable. For those needing an Edge this season, who else are they going to go after? Franchise tagged Josh Allen? 31 year old Shaq Barrett? 31 year old Leonard Floyd? Bust Chase Young? Or trade into the top 10 to draft Dallas Turner? Burns on a long term deal for some day 2 picks is completely reasonable for a team in the Edge market.

Not a fan actually.

Well of course whoever the trade partner is will have to negotiate first. I was not implying that a team would trade solely for the ability to negotiate with him on a tag. There are teams out there that will pay him 27-30 million per year and send more than just a 3rd round pick to make their deal happen. See Chicago’s deal for Sweat.

I would guess a pairs of 2s (2024/2025) or some combination of 2s, 3s, 4s over the next two years.

What will you see? Tons of holes in the roster. Guys you thought you really liked getting benched, and those you never heard of until preseason getting reps. A lot of close games that they end up losing. People you wouldn't expect to become leaders leading, and those that are supposed to be leaders letting you down. The fanbase at odds with one another on whose fault it is, the new coach or they players that they have been told are good. It's growing year, buckle up.

Water is wet.

No it would not require another DL option because the Panthers aren't going to be very competitive this year and they know this. Right now, I think they are more concerned about measuring what they currently have against hungry guys and saving resources for next offseason. Anyone who thinks the Panthers are just "a few guys away" need to just take this season off before they are disappointed. There will be holes all over the roster. However I'm willing to bet despite the adversity, this new group and it's churn of competition will still win more than 2 games.

A third round pick is a joke. There's no way a "league source" would think a third rounder would be equal compensation unless your "league source" really wants Burns to stay in Carolina. Burns could go for a late 1st, pair of 2nd rounders, or a buffet of 2s/3s/4s. He isn't going anywhere for a single 3. The salary cap doesn't matter because whoever gets him will have to extend him anyways, you're paying to be the one that has the right to extend him for the next 4-5 years.

They can probably manage to get a 1st for him in the mid-high 20s. If not, they could likely get two 2nds for him. One this season and another next year to replace the missing one from the BY trade.

Only way I see something like this is if Wilson is sitting on his couch next year (which is completely possible) and something happens to to Bryce early in the season. I could see Wilson being brought in just due to his past with Canales. I don't think they would bring Wilson in to rub shoulders in the QB room, nor do I think his ego would allow it.

I'd keep an eye on on Jonah Williams if he makes it to FA.

Yeah so back to my messages around week 1- Everything I was being told then was that they finally agreed on the $/yr amount but then the guaranteed amount was off. So what Joe is saying correlates with what I had figured. Panthers possibly went to 27m/yr then backed off off on gtd as part of the offer.

I think it's possible but to be fair, I think this offseason will be more about gathering a hoard of average "base" players to replace a ton of below average or awful ones.. maybe 1 or 2 splashy types.

This video with Merril Hoge is before the draft last season. He expresses why he believes CJ Stroud was the better QB. He did not call Young a bust but he definitely pointed out some of the weaknesses that were displayed later on during the season. Hoge also called Johnny Manziel a bust prior to his draft and just recently ripped Caleb Williams as "nothing special".