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Hah, we’ve been sifting through the Jets, Browns and Jax trash bins. At least we learned something after firing Fitterer. Don’t trade 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th round picks for their garbage, do what every other team does and sign them to cheap deals and cut them if they don’t do well.

I’ve said the same. This draft and next draft are huge. I’d even add our 3rd at 65 to 33/39 and next year’s 1st. It should be a solid player and hopefully a starter as well. Normally, you can’t expect 4 above average to stud starters in 4 picks but we’re at that point where we have to draft well or our team is going to be poo for an entire decade. We’ve just dumped CMC, Moore, Burns, Luvu and several 1sts and 2nds the past couple seasons and we’ve been bad for 6 seasons. If we keep drafting Iky’s and TMJ/Mingos with our top picks, we will be a decade long team with a ceiling of 7 wins. This is a deep draft and god willing, teams will draft the 2nd tier of QBs in the 1st to drop down more guys to 33/39. I hate to think back but pick 19 from the Rams would have been a sweet ass pick to have right now, especially with the TE we could have picked up at the top of the 2nd last year and two 1sts in 2025. Still can’t believe we gave the keys to the car to the worst GM ever. I’ll be done thinking about that once the draft is over, but it will vexes me looking at mocks.

I think Bryce will have 3 years minimum because the 2025 draft is shaping up as more similar to 2022 than 2023/2024 (prospect wise). If we aren’t set on a 2025 QB then we should grab whatever studios available with our 2025 1st and keep building the rest of the team out and not wasting cap so we can roll a big chunk over to when we are decent. If Bryce isn’t the guy, we’ll continue to get high picks and hopefully get that guy.

I still wish he never tore his ACL. He was by all reports having an amazing camp and in great shape. He had a really good 1000 yard/8TD rookie year and had 6-91 1TD against Denver week 1 of 2016. I would have loved to have seen him on the 2015 squad and in the SB instead of Cotchery* or Ginn tipping passes for INTs. KB couldn’t get thrown around by Talib. I think Cam with KB changes the offense that day. * I know the replay official sucked balls but he should have just caught it clean.

Flopped on TMJ and Jarrett sure, but damn Benjamin does not belong in the same sentence. He was a disappointment for his career because he never got back from the knee injury but he’s not in the same vicinity as those two. Benjamin 40 games 2424 yards and 18 TDs TMJ 36 games 767 yards and 1 TD Jarrett 32 games 428 yards and 1 TD Benjamin was almost at 1 TD every 2 games, the other two had 1 career TD. Feel free to hate on Benjamin overall but he did actually do stuff on the field. His highlight catches against Seattle and 2 great DBs and against SF were amazing jump balls. Jarrett and TMJ were literally useless.

Lol. There were so many people in here, including some of the most vocal, saying Fitterer should be given a chance back when we fired Rhule. Rhule was the boogeyman and did everything wrong and poor Scott was just doing what he was told. Fitterer really was the key cog in the demise of the Panthers. It will be interesting to see what we learned or if we’ll repeat the same mistakes.

True although, it only would have cost us Iky, Bryce and a pick we traded for Bryce and a few other later picks. We did nothing with the picks we saved by not trading for Watson, lol. Maybe we would have felt forced to trade Burns to the Rams due to the cap and then we might have been better off, SMH. How did we avoid that Watson disaster only to basically waste every opportunity we were given by the Browns?

Greg Little comes to mind. Marty said he was going to take Little at 16 if Burns was gone. Marty had to literally be eating a meatball sub for every minute of the OL day to miss the fact that Little looked like the worst OL at the combine in all drills. So many good players available at our 2nd and 3rd rounders like AJ Brown, Metcalf, Maxx Crosby (we had a private visit with him) and a ton of IOL who are still starters now and we blow both picks to reach for a guy that no one wanted anymore. Dude was talked about as a first rounder before the combine and was a falling knife after and we sprinted to catch it. It was like the Darnold trade. We were competing with ourselves to get both of them.

We don’t need yet another can’t separate guy. Personally, I hope we don’t have a crush. That’s Marty (post round 1) and Scott all over again. How about we evaluate all the late first/early 3rd WRs and figure which ones we don’t want and then rank the rest. We’ve done so poorly drafting since 2017, our last actual draft with multiple good starters and 4 players still contributing at a high level 7 years later. C’mon Dan, please get us a good draft that will still look good after this season.

What has Morgan done that different so far? Other than guard prices having gone through the roof for the entire NFL, Fitterer twice signed a couple of FA OL (I’m happier with the current two but we also spent a lot more), Fitterer also went after Jax castoffs, Fitterer got little value for traded vets, and Fitterer filled all the holes before the draft so we could draft BPA. Now, for Morgan, the players he gets are the key. If he drafts well, he’s not Scott immediately but if he doesn’t, we haven’t increased our talent level that much considering some of our losses. I’m still waiting for the draft because that’s truly where Fitterer selected and traded our way to the bottom but I can honestly say that I don’t feel like this offseason has been a 180 from typical.

Man, they did have a playoff game/win recently but the Browns are still firmly the Browns. The Watson trade cemented it and this is just icing on the cake. They still have some good players from all the early 1st round picks they built up but damn they are terribly run.

It’s where we are as well. Burns could have had 12.5 sacks again and I would have still wanted the trade. Look at all the “Morgan has one more move to make and he’s won the offseason” posts in here. We are better at the guard positions. We lost Burns. We added Diontae Johnson. We lost Luvu, YGM and Bell. We get some level of Shaq back and some other guys. We were a couple kicks away from 0-17. Maybe it’s just me but I’m not feeling special this year especially because I don’t feel Young has it anyway. I like some of the moves but I also think we need to hit the draft huge to get back to even 2017 competitiveness. Redoing the 2022 trade moves/not moves would have helped and while I like Brown, I know he’s not winning the SB. Getting 3 above average starters for him would be awesome. Rams 2024 pick is 19. Here’s a smattering of guys picked at 19 or a few picks later the past few years: DJ Moore, JJefferson, Flowers, Addison, Kincaid, McDuffie, Paye, Etienne, Aiyuk, Love, Simmons, Jacobs, Brown, Sweat and a variety of starting OL. Actually seems like a sweet spot for OL and WR looking back at that early 20s pick range.

Geez, I honestly didn’t think he was that old. If he’s really cheap. His stats aren’t impressive at all for playing on a high volume passing team. Reminds me of DJ Chark with the one good year but when you get 113 targets, you should get 1000 yards. As a WR3, sure, but he better be damn cheap otherwise it’s a waste of cap that a rookie WR would be better value. Also, there’s a chance that the rookie becomes a stud. Gallup doesn’t have anywhere near that ceiling.

That 2025 1st looking better. Will the Rams stay improving or will something like this cause the rookies, who had Donald taking the heat for them, fold under more pressure. One Stafford injury like 2022 and Rams back in the top 10 picks.

You got it. There are a lot of potential WR hungry teams (Bills, Baltimore, KC, U.S., etc.) right after 23. Houston has Collins, Dell and Brown in the fold. They think a run could keep their interests dropping. Minnesota is thinking QB jump. Darnold is not the answer and 2025 QBs are thin as heck. Exactly, the Texans see a flat line from 23-42 and get a 2nd in 2025. Seeing how Minnesota will likely be starting a rookie QB, that 2025 second could be a good one. It’s a gamble but the Texans are a good young team and seems like an OK gamble to me.

We’ve been through this before. Same argument for Burns and we all saw how that ended. If someone offers you the Rams’ Burns deal for Brown right now, you take it. If he was on his rookie deal for a few more years, might be different but like Burns, Brown will be expensive. Ponder this, with Brown’s future money we could have signed Wilkins this year and had Wilkins plus two firsts and a 2nd. There are always good FAs who can replace all (Reddick) or at least 80% plus you have a chance to add 3 more starters with the draft picks, especially with Fitterer out of the building. When you’ve sucked for 6 years, one edge rusher or one DL is not going to change your team’s direction. Hitting on a great trade and getting 3-4 above average starters will.

And that’s assuming he succeeds with all that we add just for him.

SMH. You’ve been arguing with me, don’t act like I’m the only one arguing. So what I don’t consider a one time pro-bowler elite. You said he was among the best in his era. Same here, just making a lot of bad trades doesn’t make you a master of trades. The guy I replied to said he turned a 5th into a 3rd. If you guys are going to go to hyperboles that Morgan was among the best in his era and that Fitterer was a master of the deal and turned 5ths into 3rds, I’ll reply and disagree.

I always wondered why we kept him and he had a reputation as a good blocker. I think it’s just like all the other terrible evaluations by Fitterer. How many blocking well highlights get posted in here? I know I’ve seen plenty of whiffs and missed blocks from Thomas in here. Didn’t we draft Tremble because he was such a good blocker that was athletic where we thought we had a chance to get a Kittle. I remember how we talked in the draft thread about Kittle’s blocking before his draft. SMH, so many good evaluations by huddlers compared to our actual drafts from 2018 to 2023. Everyone liked Burns, Brown and Moore. The rest of the picks and trades, ugh.

Luke was ridiculously good. It’s funny that you say he wasn’t the most gifted. I’d say he was the combo of both. He was very athletic and mentally unchallenged. That’s why he is a HOFer.

He made one pro bowl. He was not elite IMHO. You aren’t the very best in your era and not make an all pro team. Lewis was a 12 time pro bowler and 7 time all-pro. Luke made the all-pro team every year of his career. There are lots of guys who have had great SB games. Kong Ealy was our best guy in the last SB. To be elite and best of an era, you’d be considered borderline HOF, i.e. next tier. 1 pro bowl isn’t close to either of those. He was very good and had injury issues but he wasn’t elite in my book.

I agree with you. The leverage was lost the day after we turned down the trade. I always said that I could have accepted the extension but it should have been done at the time of the trade. Hey Burns, this is the extension we are good with and if he balks, you take a crazy valued trade. Turning down the trade and getting fired a year later and still not being able to sign Burns is why Fitterer won’t be a GM again. I was replying to someone who said we had to make the trade that day to afford the two guards. If that was true and we didn’t restructure Moton, which easily could have covered year 1 cap space, then Dan made a bad move.

What? You guys are crazy. Just because he made trades doesn’t mean he was good at them. It’s almost like the Stockholm syndrome in here. Who won the Young trade? Who won the Darnold trade? Who won the CJ Henderson trade? Who won the Burns trade (Rams)? Who won the CMC trade? Please point to where he turned a 5th into a 3rd. All I saw was that we dropped down and when we moved up we usually lost a bit of value.

Sorry, but Fitterer was a horrible GM and I’d put him up for the worst GM ever. What single thing made you think he was a smart football guy? I’d say he has to be the worst talent evaluator ever. Gettleman and Hurney ran circles around him. If he’s trying to make people happy, it’s because he isn’t a smart football guy who can make good decisions.

Lots of first round picks weren’t elite. Sorry, but Morgan never got to Luke’s level. We drafted DeAngelo and Stewart in the 1st and they were good, not elite. I didn’t say he was bad just not elite. We tend to overrate our players. Always have and I think most fans do. I’m ok with the guards but if we took a poo deal on Burns due to cap space, that’s on us. We had plenty (Moton and others) to creat large amounts of cap space. I’d bet that the two guards’ cap hits are low in 2024. I think we flubbed the extension so badly that we were forced to take low draft value. I’m fine with that but I don’t think cap forced us into the trade.