JawnyBlaze

There were literally people on this board who were all about Stroud until that test and then hopped firmly on the Bryce bandwagon. Now if you’re saying no decision makers’ minds were changed? Sure that’s possible

No they weren’t. He was very good every single year. You just had to know what to look for. Some of us were saying it all along.

I’d be happy to see Wilkes get a chance to be a HC again, as long as it’s not in Carolina. It would satisfy the curiosity of whether he’d still coach so conservative and scared when he has the reins from day one, or if that was the product of being given the keys to someone else’s ship. Wouldn’t want to take that risk with my team, but it would be interesting to find out. It would also be another point of data for the question of what makes a better coach these days: a leader of men or a smart football guy. Cuz the only “leader of men” specialists I’ve seen have success lately has been Dan Campbell and probably Harbaugh. Most of the others have been smart and innovative football guys who at a bare minimum excelled as a coordinator before. Reid, McVay, Ryans, Sirianni, Zac Taylor, McDermott, Stefanski, Shanahan.

Pay your best player, you don’t say.

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make from the first part. He took over from good DCs so it’s not his fault he’s not as good as them? And as to the second part, sure he’s a better leader than Reich or Rhule but see my above post for my full feelings on him as an HC. His absolute ceiling as a HC is a poor man’s Rivera. I saw him as HC for us, he’s WAAAY too conservative and scared. Nothing would be worse than to get stuck in the purgatory of being good enough to not get fired but too bad to be a contender.

Assuming Wilkes would turn our ~4 win average team (under Reich and Rhule) into a 7-8 win team, that’s the absolute worst situation. I’d much rather get 2 wins under Reich than 7 under Wilkes because 2 wins will get him replaced quicker. 7-8 wins a year might be enough to stick around for four or five years but that’ll be his ceiling. As a HC Wilkes is basically Rivera but with worse defensive chops and no Cam to make him look better than he is. I’d much rather take a chance and if we find the next great young HC, then awesome. If it’s a flop (like Reich) at least we’re taking another shot sooner rather than later, plus (theoretically) getting better players through higher draft picks.

I don’t hate the guy, far from it. I hated the idea that he should be our next HC. I hate that people are STILL making that wild ass claim. I disliked him as our DC as well, BOTH TIMES he took over as our DC our defense got worse. Happened in SF too. Sure maintaining #1 would be tough but the roster was even more stacked than the year before and the yards ranking dropped by 7. That’s not nothing. He seems like a good dude and players have said nothing but nice things about him so I have no reason to dislike the person. I just would never want him as the Panthers HC or DC.

You have an interesting definition of successful. “Made every defense he coordinated worse” doesn’t fit my definition. “Was marginally better than Rhule” doesn’t either.

#1 in points and yards the previous year, #3 and 8 under Wilks. Like I said before, every defense he takes over gets worse.

Gotta pay attention to tendencies. Has McDermott done it a lot in Buffalo? I honestly don’t know, but it was a problem during Ron’s entire tenure. Wilkes was the same way both times as DC here, during his interim HC time, and as DC in SF. I dunno if he was that way in Arizona but you can see a pattern with Ron and Wilkes.

Oh there’s a reason. People just don’t like talking about it because it’s not overt, it’s deeply ingrained and not easy to point out evidence.

When it happens once, he got a bum deal. When it happens twice, maybe it’s a coincidence. Thrice? The problem is he’s just not very good. You can tout the defense rankings or whatever all you want, that is one of the most stacked defenses in history. He reverted to his passive soft tendencies and it contributed heavily to them losing. Same reason he was a poor HC and same reason both times he took over as DC here the defenses regressed. It’s like a quote I’ve been seeing online a lot lately, if you meet an asshole in the morning then you just met an asshole. If you meet assholes all day, you’re the asshole.

Evero >>>>>>>>>> Wilks

I’m thinking you didn’t hear about him getting fired. 49ers saw the same thing I said both times he was DC here. Not a good DC. Definitely not a good HC.

This didn’t age well.

Don’t really disagree. They were actually really good the year before. I’m not saying ignore them totally, maybe take a swing at a C in the middle rounds, but let’s see if the new staff can get the guys we have clicking again. If they just suck, well this year is a sunk year anyway. They can just contribute to getting as high a draft pick as possible for our new QB and THEN we can go crazy on OL heh. I’m not convinced the group we have is a lost cause though. They weren’t good last year (though not as bad as a lot of people think) but they were literally the strength of the offense the year before.

Being a free country doesn’t entitle you to do whatever you want in private spaces, such as privately owned message boards.

He’s just sticking up for his boy, and that’s fine. But there’s no way he watched enough Panthers games to make an informed opinion. Of the three entities mentioned: Bryce, the OL and the WRs, Bryce was the worst.

Ever hear of Jim Irsay? Tepper could show up at a Panthers press conference naked blitzed out of his mind tomorrow and he wouldn’t have to sell the team.

13 he had Gross so that was something, but 17 was pretty bad too. Larsen and Williams were awful. Norwell had one good year, Turner had maybe three. Kalil was always solid but really I’d say every year after Gross was gone he had a poor OL except ‘15 when it was just decent rather than poor. He always had ludicrously bad tackles after Gross except Oher who was just decent at best. ‘14 was certainly the worst, one of the worst OLs in history maybe heh. To sum it up, in nine years his first two years his lines were solid, 15 it was decent and the other six were poor to historically bad. That’s the way I saw it anyway.

And ‘13 and ‘17

Only on the huddle. On IG and twitter people still defend him to their dying breath. Same with the media.

People get absolutely stuck on pre draft hype. Happens all the time. Jeudy, Chase Young, Bryce. Too many other examples to recall.

Hayell no. Juedy is doodie

Eh, I was down on Chuba his first couple years but last year made me think he can be a lead back. Better QB play will force teams to stop focusing on stopping the run and Chuba (and Sanders and whoever else) will do better.