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Thanks for this, Verge. A request: What I would like to see is the depth of the draft at each position--just an overview--For example, we seem to have depth at positions of need. A few points: Hard to pass on the top G and second best LT on the board (Vera-Tucker). Slater has the same basic abilities. Me likey. That tells me that we are talking maulers with LT athleticism. Your ratings are consistent with my feelings--I put him at T. You have to like Surratt's versatility at LB. Browning is another in that mold,and I am very high on Ohio St LB Werner. There are CBs and CB/S hybrids later in the draft. I see us liking those. I am not a fan of the TE crop. I would have "Baby Gronk" Frieirmuth at 2 and Long at 3--but it depends on what you are looking for at the position. You see Leatherwood as a pure T and not a T/G? I tend to agree, but when I watched, he dominated at T. Had a down 2020 compared to 2019, but moving to G is an overreaction. I was very surprised NOT to see Creed Humphries in the IOL top 5. Would love to hear thinking on that. I would probably move Vera-Tucker and Slater to T and have Center Humphries and possibly G-C Myers in the top 5. I do like Trey Smith a lot--high character, from what I hear. Thanks for these--I am not far off.

I agree 100%, but if he falls to the third round like Smitty did in 2001, and the choice was between a mediocre CB and a game breaker, it would be hard to not take him. If we sign a free agent QB and grab a LT in the first round, and even though we need a CB and a LB, how do you pass on the player if you think he is the next Smitty? BPA?

A cheap "prove it" contract. It should not take more than 16 games to determine what we have--if we put some players in front of him.

Forget running, I would start digging. The first guy I had to block in 1-on-1 drills in college practice was against a NT (I was a TE--it was not fair, and the results proved that) who weighed 328 lbs. I was a freshman weighing in at 220. Not good in math, and running was not an option. I felt like a moth hitting the windshield of an 18 wheeler.

They would still know they could get a good QB.

I love this player, but a day 1 or 2 pick for a slot WR when we need a LT and CB early is going to be tough. I have been looking for this kind of player doing some bottom fishing--there are some good slot options this year that makes CurSam expendable. One that I like TheProcess does not mention, could be there late day 3:

Don't laugh until you have examined his statistics at JACKSONVILLE, but I can't get the Minshew idea out of my head. Trade for him for a future pick, trade back with the first round pick and add a first rounder in 2022 (in case Minshew does not work out), add picks (OL, CB, LB, C/G) in the draft, and we are covered--if he succeeds and if he does not. He has that Delhomme energy about him-and I tried to dismiss this idea, but nobody is talking about it. He won 7 of 20 games as the Jax starter over the past 2 seasons, 63% completions, 37 TDs and 11 Ints. He is always behind in games, facing defenses that know he is passing and DL that pin their ears back vs. a weak OL. Not sure what his value is, but Jax can't sell him too hard--they are replacing him because they have no choice. This is not my idea-it was shared--but I cannot discount it. It might be the best option. He will be 25 and you could still draft a QB at 8 should one fall. Then trade one in 2022.

That is really odd. I gave him one of your self-produced videos and told him what you would have done if the coach had just put you in the game. Great movie.

You missed my point. Through free agent negotiations, you can learn a bit more about their draft strategy and needs. If you are in on every deal, you learn what they are looking for, what the market is, etc. Talk is free--nobody has to lose half a sandwich to talk/ What we learn could be the difference between moving up or sitting still at #8.

What do we know about Darnold? He was good in college, has struggled for 3 years in NY. Threw too many interceptions, but when you are one-dimensional, always playing from behind, passing is tougher. He will be 24, and he is on a first-round rookie contract for 1 more season. So what would he do with a better coach, OL, running game, and defense? Better. Is better enough?

Bingo. And he needs to call Detroit and see what they want for Goff, since they pick before us. If you have some idea of the asking price, you can possibly gauge what they are thinking.

He is a draft gemologist. That is what he is.

You must have a solid defense, OL, running game, and weapons for a young QB to succeed. Josh Allen did not play any worse than Darnold during years 1 and 2. But the Bills built the team around him. Darnold--not so. Yes, worth kicking the tires.

But before 2020, there were 2 elite QBs at this time of year--Trevor and Fields. Lance was a buzz because he had a good season on the FCS level, and Wilson was not on the table. People were projecting Jamie Newman in the first... I want to agree with you, but I see up to 34 QBs being early first rounders in 2022. I know they are not equal now, but a season changes a lot. Either way, it is a gamble. I want Minshew, trade back, add a first rounder, then you have some trade/draft capital if needed. There is no answer-just educated guesses.

I have said the same, but I wonder if Cincinnati is not already in love with Sewell and keeping Burrow off the season-ending stretcher ride. We shall see.

Nice post---SPV--I think the second pick is going QB anyway--now I am nearly certain Wilson will be a Texan. Miami has to be the trading destination, but I would not rule out Watkins totally--until the ink is dry, anything can happen. It is more than likely that the first 4 picks, via trade or suckage rights, will go for QB--I am fairly certain no QB (fields, wilson, trevor, or lance) gets by #6. We either sign a free agent (Trubiski, for example) or make a trade (Minshew, Darnold, etc.) or we move up with gusto--and I think we will do the latter. I expect our first rounder, second rounder, and first next year will be spent moving up. Thanks Rivera!

I was satisfied. One of the things he did was dropped Burris back with Chinn at times. He brought Boston into the box more---so I see a CB, FS, LB, and DL in his future. We do not have his ideal CB on the roster. Pride is close--he just needs to learn a bit more. Jackson could be the speed guy--he is a competitor.

I think you bring up a good point about versatility---and I think they love those players. I may do a thread on versatile players in this draft because there are many. DL, CB/S/Nickel/LB, RB/WR, G/C/T, etc.

I like this because if Jones does not work out, you have the 2022 capital to move up for a QB.

Here is how this could be very smart: There are at least 2 elite RTs in this draft (Jenkins, OkSt and Mayfield, Mich). I would add that others could do the job. So instead of spending $$$ on a RT and drafting a LT, Draft the RT and spend $$$ on the LT. If you are drafting a QB, you want the experienced blind side talent on the left. Tevin Jenkins could start right now. Ok-let's say we sign a free agent QB or get one in a trade. Now you can trade BACK with the first rounder, possibly acquiring a future first round pick. You draft the RT, use the first rounder for next year's draft to move up in the event the QB does not work out.

How did I not know that was the case? I knew they sought damages--but I did not know about the blindness, etc

Statistically, he should be in. And if you consider the fact that he had some mediocre to bad QBs in that mix, and the others had some consistent play at QB, yup. If you discount him for things like punching teammates...maybe not. AB will have to overcome his behavioral issues--worse than Smitty--but I bet he does not get in for that reason alone.

Here is my question: As Panther fans, do we want Wentz moving on to Indy? They pick 21st overall, so they do not threaten us on a trade up. The Eagles pick 7th, and they might decide to take a QB if Wentz is traded--even if Hurts is on the roster--I doubt it, but the new coach might not be a Hurts guy. The more we see teams that pick 1-15 or so satisfy their QB needs before the draft, the more likely one drops to us. This is how the WFT game hurt us. We are now one of the crowd fighting for 2-3 QBs, like a flock of seagulls at the beach going after a discarded chicken wing.

Personally, I think this trade deal may have backfired big time on the Eagles. If they keep Wentz, they have a controversy. Wentz knows he was shopped and QB-desperate teams did not see him as elite. The team rallies around Hurts now. Wentz cannot be easily traded (contract, 2020 performance)--so the Eagles may have a cancerous situation on their hands. Wentz is not a really good fit in Chicago, and I see him in Indy blue--but not Bear navy. People are going to walk away from Philly and their bluff, and soon they will lose interest in the Houston fold. Both teams do not want to enter 2021 with a disgruntled QB situation--and both teams, imo, caused it. I have no idea how this will turn out, but Wentz and his contract might be all he is worth. Throw in a second rounder if it makes you feel better about losing your franchise QB. Houston, however, probably thinks this storm will blow over and they will draft his supporting cast and there will be smiles all around. Or this could be part of their plan--opposite of the Eagle strategy. We'll see.