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Not related, but interesting. I am not sure I would be happy in this draft with the #1 overall pick knowing that I needed a QB. I have more confidence in Ward than Sanders, but, in my opinion, neither is ready to play in 2025.

So you are saying that we need a great QB to get "over the hump" (talking Super Bowl), and you call it a "hot take." Here is my question: What specifically would you do about it right now? I want names, please.

Good example. If you switch from the #2 role to the #1 role, you get the attention of the defense. You get the top CB a lot. You are the first read a lot--giving you less time to get separation. It is a different animal than #2. You go from Robin to Batman.

Their defense sucks, however, and I imagine they will invest in it---

I see it this way--what if you play Hubbard and he blows a knee? I would not be surprised to see Horn benched. I would not be surprised to see veterans like Jewell, Wonnum, Clowney, and maybe even Bryce benched at some point to prevent some injury that might impact the offseason/camp etc. In addition, it would assure a top 6 or so pick. In addition, you get to see how players like Plummer and a few others look when the bullets are real (unlike in preseason.) I realize that some of you think this is lunacy, but it happens and it is smart, actually. I think you try to win, you just try to win with developmental players while protecting your core for 2025.

To me, they are probably tanking legally--and they want to see what they have...I am surprised nobody said Plummer in the answer to this question. I want to see Cade Mays finish strong (He is ill right now). I do not want to see XL play well--I want his problem to be stuff you fix in the offseason, not inconsistency. I am not seeing Chuba to IR yet... Dont know how current this is, but from Panther site: Out: Smith Wade, Jewell Doubtful: Horn, Moton Questionable: Lewis, Wonnum, Clowney, Legette, Robinson, Hubbard (??), Gill

I think they are already thinking about the QB position and Plummer's last preseason game was strong, following a terrible one. I imagine he plays, unless the game is on the line.

Interesting. Very possible. I am under the impression that it is on a case-by-case basis--but it is a good question.

Plummer going to be the #2? I imagine he will get some time if the game slips away--one side or the other. Might mean Dalton has taken his last snap in a Panther uniform.

in 2022, the NFL suspended the Miami Dolphins owner and fined him $1.5 million for violating policies related to the integrity of the game when they were tanking.

I want the draft capital too, Cam, but I can answer it this way: We would be picking no worse than 10. If we lose out, it could be as bad as 7. If veterans who are free agents see that they can get in early on a winning team on the horizon, they are more likely to be interested in signing with Carolina that, say, Chicago, who seems to be in disarray. This is speculative, however--and I don't see us as big players in free agency--so it may be a mute point.

Sorry for the tech screw up--could not clear.

Tankathon Draft Order (12/28/24) *GIANTS While a win is unlikely because the Giants’ strength of schedule could take them from first overall pick to sixth using current data, Indy is erratic and Philly could be resting starters. Regardless, I see little chance the Giants punish the fans with an insulting win to lose an opportunity to get a franchise qb. *PATRIOTS New England has 2 home games left if chilly Foxboro. The Chargers are only giving 4.5 points this week and Buffalo could very well be resting starters next week. It seems unlikely on paper, but New England does not need a QB and they are going to try to win. *JAGUARS Jacksonville gets Tennessee at home and they are still slight underdogs. The end the season in Indy, who could be fighting for a wildcard. If they are going to win, it is Sunday. A 1 point home dog against a bad team means anything could happen. *TITANSBasically, the Titans are very slight road favorites at Jacksonville Sunday. Panther fans should root for the Titans because someone is going to go tho 4-12. Tennessee’s SOS is higher, so the Panthers want them to win. Jax can win and still not help the Panthers. If Tennessee wins, it could mean that the Panthers move up a spot. *BROWNS Their only hope is for a snow storm in Cleveland for the Dolphins game–they still lose. Cleveland has scored below 20 points 12 of 15 games this year. Yikes. They will be a top 5 pick, which will make the draft interesting. With Watson and Winston struggling, what will they do? *RAIDERS Based on the Saints terrible performance vs.Green Bay Monday Night, the Raiders were made favorites (-1.5) in the Big Easy. New Orleans not only looked like crap, they have a slew of injuries (Kamara for one) and are playing on a short week following a demoralizing win, while the Raiders are riding a one-game win streak. *BEARS In their last 4 games, the Bears have been outscored 45-131. The golden child who was destined for greatness (courtesy of the Carolina Panthers) has lost his mojo. With one game to play at Green Bay, they will not win another game this season. If the Panthers lose out, the Bears will not draft ahead of them–they have a .560 SOS to the Panthers’ .494. *PANTHERS While the Panthers almost beat Tampa Bay at home recently, they are 8 point dogs at Tampa. Their best chance for a Wis in Atlanta week 18, but if Pennix plays like he has so far, we probably lose. *JETS The Jets were considered a favorite to compete in the playoffs when they scrimmaged us. Heads are going to roll in January, one might think. Their SOS is slightly higher than the Panthers right now–so if both teams lose out, Math will determine who picks before whom. *SAINTS It is very unlikely that the Saints impact the Panthers’ draft position, but mathematically, they could if the Panthers win a game, the Saints lose out, and the SOS shifts from the Panthers’ favor to their favor somehow. However, the Saints (currently) pick 10th, and it is impossible for the Panther to pick worse than 10th. Who to root for this week and why: SATURDAY, 12/28 Chargers (-4.5) vs. Patriots: Of course, the Patriots are the team to root for, but if they win, their SOS is much lower than the Panthers, so the Panthers would not jump them–yet. But the Pats play Buffalo the following week, and the Bills could rest their starters. Long shot, but No Brainer- GO PATS!!. SUNDAY, 12/29 Titans (-1) vs. Jags: If the Jags win, their record goes to 4-12 like the Panthers is likely to be, but their SOS is lower. The Titans could win and their SOS would be higher than the Panthers if both are 4-12. No Brainer–GO TENNESSEE!! Jets vs. Bills (-10): Pull for the Jets, but they are nearly 10 point dawgs. Not likely, but No brainer–GO NYJ!! Raiders (-1.5) vs. Saints: A Saints win eliminates them from any chance of picking ahead of the Panthers, and even if the Panthers go 1-1 and the Saints finish 0-2, it is likely the Panther pick ahead of them. On the other hand, a Raiders win and a Panther loss this week puts the Panthers ahead of the Raiders. No Brainer–GO VEGAS!!! Colts (-7.5) vs. Giants: The Giants would have to run the table to pick later than the Panthers. Don’t waste sweat on this one. Indy has a winning road record and NY is 0-8. Not happening. No Brainer-forget about the Giants. Dolphins (-6.5) vs. Browns. The forecast today in Cleveland is 58 degrees and overcast. Fish dodge a blizzard. However, the Browns could surprise because Winston is streaky when he is not being stupid. If the Browns pull of the home upset, their SOS is higher than Carolina’s. No Brainer–GO BROWNS!! Noteworthy: The Panthers move up in the draft order immediately if any of the following three teams win: Tennessee, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Since the Bears already played Thursday night, a Panther loss moves them ahead of Chicago based on current SOS. If the Panthers win out, the worst they can pick is 10th overall

Another personal attack--you can't see yourself, can you? Petty.

I have since found an article--Kamara is out (you are correct) and their performance against Green Bay contributed to the swing. Other injuries as well.

That is exactly what they are doing. No timeline yet on Brooks, and Chuba is their workhorse. If he blows out a knee during these last 2 meaningless games, we' d have to draft or sign a top RB to start next season.

Speaking of draft position, this was curious to me--Any background information that would justify a 4-point swing in the line (making New Orleans the home dog against the 3-win Raiders)?

Emotional? Hardly--but your post is yet another meritless personal attack, suggesting that you are suffering from some degree of hostility which is silly. You seem to be incapable of intelligent discourse because you offer no counter intelligent opinion or reasons why this is, using your extended vocabulary, "dumb." Your response "let the coaching staff handle it" assumes that is not part of the equation and could apply to EVERY topic on this forum. In other words, "you got nothing." Yet I clearly and repeatedly stated that this would be a tool for the coaches and front office to use during the off season. So I was saying the coaches would handle this--comprehend? Who else would handle it? Stop trolling. Share your opinion and allow others to have their own. Since what I have suggested is done frequently in the NFL--I was only suggesting certain players--your perspective is ripe with naivete (Google it) and without any supporting rationale. A simple Google demonstrates this: BOY THOSE NFL TEAMS ARE DUMB.

Preacher--choir.

I bet it is confusing to some--the idea of evaluating talent, collecting data, and providing experience to young players. Now stop being a child and learn how to voice intelligent opinions without taking it so personally. Do you have that capability?

Good point--let's take the person who some feel needs no further evaluation: Richardson Do you know which safety position he played? How would he do at the other S position? Big Nickel? Nickel? For example. How would Farley do at S? Nickel? Etc. Jones? What do you know about him? We know more about Richardson than others, but how versatile is he? Can he play other spots? That is what this opportunity gives you. I do not understand the argument to NOT take a look at some players before making offseason decisions about them. Another reason you do this: Experience for the players. Injuries are something you must plan for in the NFL. While Richardson may never be a starter, if he has experience at Nickel, SS, FS--he could become a more valuable reserve. In college, I started off as an outside LB--before the last week of practice, they gave me reps at TE. They threw me a pass during the final game. In spring practice, I was moved to TE. That brief experience in a game at TE was important. The coaches told me that they wanted to get the "taste of blood" in my mouth, but they evaluated the 10 plays and critiqued my blocking, route running, stance, etc. It gave them some talking points --things to work on--before spring practice. If you have no recent film on Raym or Farley at S or Richardson at nickel, etc. why not take a look? A: there is no reason. I realize that college and the NFL are very different, but I also realize that the best organizations have the "next man up" philosophy and they tailor their approach to the skill sets of their players--not the other way around. Rivera would get us eliminated and then he would play to win at all costs; he was insecure about his record, in my opinion. Take the evaluation to a new level--the playoff teams cannot do this--we can.

do you have a remote?

They are on an NFL roster now, and you build the roster from the bottom up. Who are you going to keep (most are projects of some sort) and who are you going to move away from? Another point--some players develop and mature at different rates--some players are "gamers" and not good practice players. You could try Farley at S, for example. You could see if Velus Jones can make a play or two from various spots (RB, WR, KR). What is the reason you wouldn't?

Same thought. They will argue, "We can eliminate another preseason game." Starters don't play in those as it is.

Says who? Two games lets you know if you have something or not. You see what they do when given a shot. Heck, the preseason is only 3 games, and then you say, "Let's see how they do against the 1's" It also gives you a chance to gauge their improvement from the last time they made film. You give me 80 plays of football against the first teamers in a real NFL game, I can tell you enough about that player.