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Here is one way of looking at one example of how athleticism is not that big of a factor-processing is. 2 QBs were taken in the 2022 draft. Their 2021 NCAA stats: 1. The athletic QB, one of the top 4 QBs, was furious when he was not drafted in round 1. In college, he had a 62% completion rate (nine percentage points above AR 15), throwing 27 TDs vs. 12 Interceptions against lesser competition. He had 878 yards rushing. Fun to watch. Had a great combine/pro day. He fell to the third round, but went to a playoff team with a chance to develop into an NFL QB. 2. The cerebral, experienced QB with limited athletic ability (compared to the likes of the first QB) had a 71.7 completion percentage (nearly 10% better than the athletic QB and nearly 19% better than AR15), threw for over 3000 yards, throwing 19 TDs vs. 8 Interceptions against better competition. He ran for zero yards. He had a 3.8 GPA and scored very high on the S2 Cognition score. This QB was not upset that he was not drafted in round 1, but was elated when he was drafted in round 7 by a playoff team, with the last pick of the draft. 2022 Pro Comparisons: The Athlete: 0 TDs, 3 Ints. Per game-34 yards passing, 15.4 rushing yards per game. Mr. Irrelevant: 13 TDs, 4 Ints. Per game-152.7 yards passing, 1.4 rushing yards per game. The point? Go to combines and pro days and be amazed at the athleticism if you want, but be warned that processing is more important. This also relates to LBs and DBs with great 40 times but it takes them longer to diagnose the play. A lot of people are saying that AR15 has the biggest upside. Does he though? What about his statistics tell you that? Someone will take him thinking Lamar Jackson or Cam Newton, but they battled injuries and were not accurate passers, for the most part. The most upside is a QB who is going to make himself better in the film room, not the weight room. A player who knows where everyone is supposed to be and can process a WR being open before the break--a player who can change the play at the LOS without freaking out the coach. Yes, athletic QBs are great on fourth and goal, and they often use their legs to atone for their indecision in the pocket--and they make the highlight reels. Bryce Young, apparently, blew away the S2 Cognition test. I think I read Stroud was up there too. But look at these QBs--who has the best body to be successful? AR15, followed by Levis. Who has the best mind to be successful? Young, followed by Stroud. Who had the better stats in college--the stud athletes or the cerebral pocket passers? Now go and pick AR15 with the number 1 pick and see how long you remain employed.

1. The combine rationale: The timing of the trade---That is when Fitterer and Poles had the opportunity to meet. 2. NFL teams are not in the business of selling Jerseys. Winning brings in the fans, not the best athlete playing QB. I am fairly certain that Stroud or Young, if successful (and they are most likely to be successful earlier than the boom or bust Richardson) will sell a ton of Jerseys and Tepper will not care. 3. If the coaching staff thinks they can make any of these QBs work, they do not trade up to #1-they trade up to #3. 4. Assuming the Josh McCown video theory were accurate, wouldn't NOT discussing AR15 be an obvious giveaway wherein showing his video tape with the others would hide the fact that they like him? The consensus around the league is that Carolina is a good landing spot for a young QB. The OL is in tact, they did not want to trade Moore, but they have done all they can to address WR with veterans; our TE is a veteran. All signs indicate a Day 1 starter, not some super athlete who has one season of starting in college under his belt with a 54% completion percentage. That makes no sense. Do not let the flashing lights, bells, and whistles fool you--he is a great athlete, but not a great QB.

You deserve your right to your opinion, and unlike some Huddlers, you provide your reasons for your thinking. I am sorry you were called an idiot for thinking this--our moderators should not tolerate that, according to what they have said in the past. Having said that, I think this is a stretch.

Writers get paid to write. And if you put something like this out there 3 weeks before the draft, people will forget about it. However, if for some reason we draft AR, this writer gets immediate street cred. Would a new coach who is building a roster to compete right now want a project? If he likes the skill set, and we have a ton of cap room, why not pursue L.Jackson? No--I doubt a new coach would join a franchise and go out on a limb like this--

Pulled this from Walter today--he is usually missing a few: Anthony Bradford^, Offensive Tackle, LSU (COM, PRI) (Probably projects to G in the NFL---I would like this pick in round 4 or after--not sure he will be there) Julius Brents, Cornerback, Kansas State (COM) (most teams like this CB) Charlie Jones, Wide Receiver, Purdue (PRI) (I see this as a solid signing if we do it) Will Levis^, Quarterback, Kentucky (PRI, PRO) (Why waste time on Levis?) Jonathan Mingo, Wide Receiver, Ole Miss (PRI) (Strong WR candidate that could be a better pro than college player) B.J. Ojulari, Defensive End, LSU (PRI) I see this as a strong possibilty--also watch Felix from Kansas State) Bumper Pool, Linebacker, Arkansas (PRI) (Panthers will sign this guy--maybe as an undrafted free agent) Joey Porter Jr., Cornerback, Penn State (PRI) (unless we wheel and deal, this ain't happening) Anthony Richardson^, Quarterback, Florida (COM, PRI, PRO) (3 contacts---doing our homework on AR15) Drew Sanders, Linebacker, Arkansas (COM) (Possibly at 39 if Luvu goes to Edge) Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRI) (only if we trade up a lot) C.J. Stroud^, Quarterback, Ohio State (PRI, PRO) Bryce Young^, Quarterback, Alabama (PRI, PRO) Chandler Zavala, Offensive Guard, N.C. State (PRI)(I have seen him as early as round 3--80" wingspan at 322 lbs--nice)

I am not confident that Houston would be willing to deal, but I can say that I am not sure the Panthers would do it if the reason they moved up was for one guy. Young is a better QB--and he was 5'10" and 190 or so while playing at Bama vs. Georgia and the rest of the SEC. Stroud is bigger and he has a strong case to be the #1 overall pick--but until Houston calls, this is a mute point. Personally, I like Young the person--the ambassador for the franchise--more than Stroud. I love his brain and I think he will "play safe". Stroud? I love his accuracy, size, and potential.

Why not have 53 Shades of Blue? Yeah, baby. Big Problem: "Hi Friend. NFL Jerseys at cheap prices. You no like blue cowor? Ordah deese glasses. $23 dowwar each jersey if you buy 10. Huwweee. These won't last fowever."

Are you serious?!!! It can also MAKE the jersey--like the Tampa Bay Alarm Clock Numbers---telling fans its time to wake up!! (seriously, I laughed my ass off when I saw them)

The silver reminded me of a combination between the Raiders, Cowboys, and Patriots....I am not fans of those teams.

It is--and we did not seem to have that concern when Cam was plowing over LBs on third and 8 for a first down-(I did, but I was called a racist and Cam Hater). I worry too--dang if they put his brain in AR15's body--I would know which QB I want.

You make solid points and argue well, and we are usually on the same page--I prefer Stroud optically, but mentally, I prefer Young--very torn. But I would not be concerned about Stroud's football IQ if he were not compared to a little Einstein.

Fool me once, shame on you----by the way, how much more humiliating could my profile pic be?

When you are small and playing in the biggest, most prestigious program in modern college football, you are aware of it. Here is why I don't think Young will be as injury prone as we all think. Bryce processes very quickly--the average QB in the NFL gets rid of the ball in 2.4-2.7 seconds. In college, Young's throws were 0.2 second quicker than average. Furthermore, 87% of his passes were catchable. (Stroud, known for his accuracy, boasts that 85% of his passes were catchable.) He rates a 7/7 in the areas of "poise" and "clutch" (Stroud was a 6/7 in both categories) and, according to Greg Cosell, "Young is a high-level prospect with a PhD in the nuances, details and subtleties of the position, starting with his pre-snap process and an outstanding feel for the game, intuitively understanding where everyone is on the field and often moving to find space to deliver the ball and make spectacular second reaction plays." He is tough and smart in the pocket. While his size is a legitimate concern, Young's intelligence, fast release, movement in the pocket, and the NFL rules that protect QBs might make his size concerns minimal. Furthermore, he runs a 4.52 40, so he has a degree of escapability. Cam Newton seemed like a tank with a cannon for an arm running down the field, but his size and hesitation in the pocket proved to be his downfall---he was injured based on the wear and tear---so a big QB getting hit a lot might be more dangerous than a small QB getting hit once in a while. I am glad this decision is not mine. Young: https://www.the33rdteam.com/nfl-draft/2023/players/bryce-young-49632/ Stroud: https://www.the33rdteam.com/nfl-draft/2023/players/c-j-stroud-49609/overview/ Based on these comparisons, Young is slightly better than Stroud in the areas they chose to measure. Is it enough? therin lies the dilemma.

I am seeing no indication that we are trading this pick--they will have a favorite by April 27 and they will not risk it. Just my opinion.

Funny they use the Lance / Jones comparison--not a good one at all. First, SF could have wanted Lance all along--but did not want Wilson--so they leaked they would take Jones, causing everyone to relax and not trade with NYJ for Lance--who knows? And if you think a team is willing to trade all that draft capital to move up for Lance, maybe it causes you to rethink Lance---nobody was taking Jones at #2.... Lots of strategery going on.

Yeah. We need a 6-5, 245 lb. QB---they never get hurt! (Playful sarcasm--I see your point)

Yeah, you are looking for the QB who steps up in the pros, not back or down. Jared Allen is a great example--Jalen Hurts to a degree---Stroud has that ability--probably more than Young.

I think CJ is more of a boom or bust project than Young--higher ceiling, lower floor. I see CJ somewhere between Burrow and Goff--if you take Goff's entire career. Burrow may be a bit much, but if he has the tools, I think he could be special--or not. hard to say--good question!

I can see that, but he put up some incredible numbers and was very accurate. Pickett was a bad selection because (I agree-a backup) but when you go with a first round QB, you have to give him a few years to develop as the starter-where I think you have a quicker trigger without the initial investment. I am shocked Tomlin won 9 games this past season---

Stroud's defense folded on him vs. Michigan, but the offense scored only 3 points in the second half when they were leading at the half. I thought Harbaugh bitch slapped Day in the coaches duel, and Stroud was missing his best 2 WRs, if memory serves me correctly. But when he because one-dimensional, Michigan took his number..... With Young, he is predicted to go to the Texans. In 2022, his two worst games (in terms of offensive scoring) were against Texas teams (Texas, 20 points, and Texas AM, 24 points--games they won by a combined 5 points).

As a rookie, I thought Jones was going to do well. I think BB is not the QB whisperer he thought he was.

I give Alabama the nostalgic advantage--Namath, Stabler, Starr, Todd, etc.---OSU does not even have a name to drop from last century! and I think Tua and Jones are better than what OSU has put on the field so far---but not by much. The greatest OSU QBever by far was benched and transferred to LSU. I don't really think this matters much--you have to look at each player--but OSU's lack of success in the NFL is very interesting to me. (I know a guy who roomed with Art Schleister (sp) for a bit in Indianapolis when both were rookies. He had some stories--not related to the topic, really.)

I see that--I wish I knew more about it. In my head, I am pulling for Stroud to "break the mold" and step up while I am in awe of Young's maturity and acumen.

What influenced me to go against my bias and select YOUNG? Reich will be calling the plays during the game. With the most intelligent QB to come out in years, he will be communicating--during the game--on a more sophisticated level. When I heard that Reich was "blown away" by Young's intelligence--I immediately went there in my mind. A cerebral coach with an NFL QB background would LOVE a cerebral QB on the field. If the OC were calling plays during the game, this would matter less to me--but when the HC/former QB is calling plays, he will value that in-game communication more than we probably realize.

Gives us something to do in the offseason--many people collectively making solid points for both QBs. I think it is fun--builds suspense.