MHS831

Well, he drafted the long snapper without any help.

There seems to be a bunch of hope here and not much news.

Access to the Cats, a Computer, and Crack--the three Cs required to start a thread like this on the Huddle.

Yeah, they are all experts. I got hammered last spring when I merely suggested that Mac Jones as an option for us at QB. If we are on the long-term plan as suggested when Rhule was hired, Tepper is not going to fire Rhule now. Yesterday I noticed that the QB play was better on the few plays the OL gave the QB time. Expect us to address the OL in free agency. I would not rule out QB either.

Tepper gave Rhule a long-term contract because he wants to see the rebuild done right. After 2 seasons, a firing seems impatient, from that perspective. He knows we need OL and a QB. Tepper was part of the Steeler ownership, and they change coaches once every 20 years, it seems. If he shares that mentality, we could be in for more Rhule.

Dont we have about 40 threads on this topic already?

I see your point, but I think desperate teams will reach. Willis could be the first QB taken--mark my words.

I saw veterans who seem to have quit--even maybe Cam Newton. Moore, Anderson, etc. just don't have emotion. Glad to see some young one's did not. And this thread was not to be negative--we all know the coaching staff sucks--but to play hard despite the leadership flaws is impressive. But you are right--I want to see more Shi Smith, more targets to Marshall, more Christensen and Hoskins and Nixon.

According to PFF: Secondary Stephon Gilmore lined up against Brown for most of the game and conceded 75 yards on five receptions, three of which resulted in a gain of 15-plus yards. If it stands, his 51.0 coverage grade would be his lowest outing of the season.

Christensen gave up some pressures--no sacks--according to PFF. You need to understand that he has not been getting reps at LT much in practice and his experience has been at G as much at T. I saw some good feet, questionable balance, and a little hesitation common in players who are not yet adjusted. Give him time. There are so many LTs in the NFL you'd love to have who started off as liabilities--and they were getting first team reps. Same for Henderson--this is a new defense and he has shown moments where he is solid. They did not run this defense in Jax, and it takes time to learn. Both of the guys you target here do not have the same reps in practice and /or have had less time to learn the system at that respective position. What you might be seeing is a lack of familiarity, not a lack of skill. We need to see more from both.

Sorry-not about how much Rhule needs to be fired, but here is a thread that reveals the character of young players who bring it during times of adversity. Some of our youth decided to step it up Sunday and they played well. Hartsfield played lights out Sunday and seems to be settling into a role in the secondary playing the nickel position and at times, a third safety. He was targeted 5 times and surrendered 15 yards for a QB rating against rating of 64.6. Christensen is an inexperienced rookie who showed it at times Sunday, but all in all, he played his second respectable game at LT. Rookie LTs all tend to struggle, so there could be something in him. I hope Rhule plays him over the next two weeks. CJ Henderson, a player many here call a "bust" had a 49.6 QB rating when targeted, the lowest on the team and against the GOAT. We have reason to be optimistic about the secondary next season with Horn returning in 2022. I should note that Gilmore covered Brown and the other WRs were bench players, but CJ did well nonetheless and was (by far) the team's best CB Sunday (statistically). Shi Smith had 86 receiving yards. His QBs completed about half of their passes and averaged about 5 yards per target. Tecklenburg surrendered no sacks and only 2 pressures on 53 pass blocking snaps. The problem with the Panthers was once again the Guards, surrendering 3 sacks and 9 pressures on 53 snaps--that is a pressure from a guard's block every six snaps, and a sack every 19 snaps. Luvu had a solid game, combining with Shaq to have 4 tackles for loss or no gain. He has outplayed Carter when given the opportunity.

Seattle, with no first rounder, plays Detroit in Seattle this weekend. They have no incentive to tank and should win that game. The Bears and Giants play Sunday. The Giants (4-11) have a stronger SOS. If they win, the move behind us. If the Bears win, the stay behind us. If we lose out, we should be picking around 6th, barring a miracle upset frenzy ignited by wins from other 4-win teams. Tampa Bay has had a flurry of injuries of late and they may rest starters week 18. We have to lose to their bench and special teamers.

And Christensen will only get better with experience--Erving has played his best football.

Me too. Fitterer needs to draft for the future---

Wow. He sounds like a man trying to convince his wife not to leave him.

Rhule's contract is not going to stand in the way of the Panther brand, stadium negotiations, and winning. It was a bad hire, and doing nothing about it is more costly than taking action asap.

BC Did NOT give up a sack. He gave up 5 pressures (too many) but considering the circumstances, about what he should do when playing G all season. According to PFF:

I agree. The reason I say that we might have our LT is not because he is as good as Gross--it is because he is improving and has the athleticism. Add another year of strength conditioning and experience, We can focus on interior OL--to me the bigger need. Christensen is a decent LT and should have been left there all season to develop. He did not play poorly today, all things considered. (This not to respond to you--to all who think they understand OL development. I saw smarts, good feet, etc. Once he lunged and Barrett ate his lunch--another time he fell--but for the most part, he was solid. I should add that most teams attack us in A and B gaps, however--the quickest path to the QB.

The Saints could be a win, and Tampa Bay in week 11 could as well (resting starters)

It is just you--dont know what you see---oh, and I should add that It is anatomically correct from my perspective.

BC Played a solid game. Not perfect, but if he can do this again vs. New Orleans next week, I say we have our starting LT.

I do not recall a victory in all black

For Panther fans in Tank Mode Atlanta (6-8) over Detroit (2-11-1): Detroit is unlikely to win 3 games this season, and Atlanta beats the Panthers in a tie-breaker (weaker Strength of Schedule), so they are less than one game ahead of the Panthers--a win of any kind pushes Atlanta (if they lose out) ahead of the Panthers. A Falcon win today puts them ahead of the Panthers by 2 games (assuming a Panther loss today) with 2 to play. LA Rams (10-4) over Minnesota (7-7): The Rams are the pick here because Tampa Bay needs to have a reason to play hard vs. the Panthers week 18. With Dallas, LA Rams, and Tampa Bay all one game behind Green Bay, a logjam creates a reason to win for the top 4 teams. NY Giants (4-10) over Philadelphia (7-7): A Panther loss today and a Giants win puts the Panthers ahead of the Giants for the 2022 draft (based on Strength of Schedule) with 2 to play. The Giants and Bears (4-10) play week 18, and both have stronger SOS than the Panthers, so any wins by a 4-win team are appreciated. Chicago (4-10) over Seattle (5-9): Seattle and the Panthers are tied with 5 wins with the Panthers getting the edge in a narrow tie breaker at the moment (Strength of schedule). The Bears' strength of schedule would favor the Panthers if they were tied at the end of day. Seattle plays Detroit in Seattle next week, so the Seahawks are likely to end the season with at least 6 wins--7 if they beat Chicago today. Hope for the Bears to win because it would move Carolina higher in the draft. NOTE: The Bears finish with the Giants and Vikings--so if the Panthers lose out and the Giants and Bears keep the stronger SOS, both could finish higher than the Panthers if all three finish 5-12. The Giants and Bears (4-10) play week 18, and both have stronger SOS than the Panthers, so any wins by a 4-win team are appreciated. Dallas (10-4) over Washington (6-8): This seems odd, but hear me out. Washington has a game lead over the Panthers with the stronger Strength of Schedule. WFT finishes with Philly and NY Giants. They are likely to get a win over the last two weeks. The Panthers best chance for a win could be vs. Tampa Bay resting players and avoiding injuries week 18. Dallas and Tampa Bay have identical 10-4 records (along with the Rams). We want the Bucs to have a reason to win, and Dallas/LA Rams/Tampa Bay and possibly Green Bay fighting for the best seeding favors teams playing hard week 18. Tampa Bay (10-4) over Carolina (5-9): I see losing out as acquiring draft Capital, giving us options on draft day. Yes we could win out and hang an 8-9 banner for 2021, or we could lose out and add a second round offensive lineman. I think we will trade back and grab a first rounder and a second rounder---possibly both OL. If Christensen plays well at LT (I hope he starts today) it could be that the Panthers grab a QB instead, so picking as high as possible gives us options. Any Panther win now is like kissing your sister--yes it was a female but no, it does not count. If you want Rhule gone, you want to put Tepper through three more weeks of losses.

I do not see them waiting a year for a QB. Maybe impulsive before building the OL, but they will bring in a new face at QB some how. But you are right--the OL SHOULD come first, but...