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When was the last time we knew that our cast offs will most likely make a team. And we are hoping to stash them on our practice squad instead of picking up other folks players. The depth has surely improved.

Is it possible a bunch of those issues last year were having no wide receivers who had been in the system except for Bersin and a very inexperienced O line?. If Williams and Stewart were doing the same thing after being in the system then blame Shula. But they weren't making those mistakes. If it was the OC alone then things wouldn't have gotten better over the course of the season and yet they did as the new guys gained more experience and learned the system. seriously, why can't we wait until until the regular season to bash him for this year. The first preseason game hasn't happened yet and the whining is ridiculous about something that hasn't even happened this year.

Considering those supporters are Rivera and Gettleman, the joke is on you.

In 2012 it was 22.4 and in 2013 it was 22.9. Not the same. As for 2011 versus 2014, given Cam only played 14 games total and he was only healthy for 4 of the 16 it is hardly a fair comparison. Botton line under Chud we won 13 games while under Shula we won 19. Sure the defense was better but Shula's ball control offense is a part of the reason the defense is better. Chud worried about moving the ball in chunks and didn't focus on controlling the clock or moving the chains. So we had plenty of yards but a bunch of 3 and outs and gave the opponent the ball too often with short fields. It was fun to watch but didn't result in the wins it should have.

Problem is that total yards which you are using, counts for nothing in terms of wins or losses. Points do. Go look up if we scored more points per game in 2012 under Chud or in 2013 under Shula. Hint: it wasnt Chud. Quantity stats like total yards may make a difference to casual fans but not to serious posters. Plus relative ratings like top 10 or top 15 are meaningless as well. The difference between a top 10 or top 20 offense in terms of total yards may be one series or perhaps 50 yards a game..

I suspect he will be able to scheme around the O line. He has plenty of experience doing it the past 2 years. But don't be surprised if he is still here going forward. The people in the orgnization making decisions dont seem to have any problem with him.

Stats dont always equate to wins. Many of Chud's yards and points where scored when we were behind and in losing efforts with clearly the best talent we have had on offense in the past 4 years. He was more out for himself and the numbers than he was for the team and for wins.

And how long have we had the physical talent? The general consensus across the league last year was that we had the poorest offensive talent in the league. Frankly this year there are those who still who question our offensive talent. Many of the guys we are expecting to be major contributors this year are rookies or very young. Given what he has had to work with, he has done a very good job in my opinion. You can be the best chef in the world but if you get handed a pile of crap it is probably still going to taste like crap.

Cam gets his unfair amount of criticism as well but you have to admit that there are a lot more folks who give Cam a pass then give Shula one. Honestly, I hate having to defend the guy all the time given I dont think he is that great, but I feel that he gets a lot of unfair criticism stemming back from what happened a decade ago. As for Newton you obviously dont remember that I was one of the first posters to advocate drafting him and defended him from the unfair criticism he received. I have his jersey and proudly wear it to many games. Truth is it took many of you time to join me. The same with Kuechly and this year with Funchess. I have been on the bandwagon of these guys from day 1.

in the media Cam doesn't get a pass but around here the hypocrisy between how Can is treated versus Shuls really is ridiculous.

He seems the whipping boy for every offensive problem while the players like Cam get a pass because people recognize he didn't have a great supporting cast. What is funnier still is that everyone commends Cam for all his accomplishments without mentioning that Shuls took him from a guy who knew very little and has improved him every year.

If Rivera waits until week 8 then that is how long it took for the staff to get him ready to start. This whole notion that Rivera only plays veterans until he has to put in new guys is really stupid. Didnt he start Cam day 1 as a rookie? Star? Luke at Will, Benjamin last year. The list is really long. Putting in a rookie is always risky and in our defense, it can be disasterous particularly in the back 7. Everything is based on accountability and being where you have to be on each and every play. One guy out of position and you give up a big play. It takes time to learn this system which is why except for Luke few if any rookies start in this defense day 1 out of linebackers and secondary personnel. The Offense is pretty complicated as well. Obviously each player is unique but the whole notion that coaches would not play the best guy is ridiculous. And to assume that Ron is not a good judge of talent given the rest of the coaches and Gettleman as wel as his pedigree is stupid as well.

Do you remember why Norman did not start last year? I do. What they saw was that Norman wasn't where he needed to be to much of the time which is critical in our defense and was fundamentally unsound. It wasn't his talent level but his maturity. As the season unfolded he did what he asked to do and improve tremendously. Hence the reason they Cason was released. I thought Godfrey was playing safety not corner??

Once again it is untrue that those veterans shouldnt have played over the guys who eventually replaced them. At the time the season started, the guys who eventually replaced them for the most part, where not ready to assume starting roles. Chandler for example was really our own option until Remmers was signed at the end of October. Then Remmers had to be trained and learn the offense and gel with the team. He was actually thrown in there early than ideal but did much better than anyone expected. The same thing could be said about the other guys you mentioned. It is totally naive to think that you can just plug a guy in and he can play at a high level especially if he is a rookie. That only happens in Madden.

That is just stupid logic that is unfounded. They make changes when they feel that the guy who is starting is not as good as the guy who is backing him up. We started 7 rookies last year and that was not all due to injury. Sometimes we use injury to say that is why we are making the change to preserve the veteran's ego but Rivera has not been unwilling to start a rookie over a veteran and will make changes when he feels they are ready to start. Most times you may be forced to play a rookie earlier than you would like due to injury but you didnt play them just because of injury, the injury just made you act sooner than you would liked. If Williams starts in week five due to Oher struggling or being injured it will be because he needed that long or longer to be ready. If he does well it would be a stretch to say he should have started all year.

So does Oher suck or have Addison and Alexander picked up their game and are playing very well early in camp. I am hoping for the latter and and not the former. I suppose the preseaason games will tell the tale.

My youngest son is 15 and plays sports at a high level and gets trophies only for winning now. As a child he got all the participatory trophies. A year or two ago he took all of those trophies and packed them away saying they didn't count and weren't worth keeping. He got themessage and is anything besides a wuss and wasn't hurt by the experience. I would think kids who they are referring to never play anything at a high level and likely needed trophies to build their self esteem as a child. Truth is if they continue in sports beyond 10, they figure it out and aren't hurt by awards won as a small child for participation.

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I am glad there is competition and whoever wins will each bring something to the team that compelled them to keep them. It should make preseason games worth watching this year as the quality of the depth improves. It will be nice to have a roster where everyone can come in and fill the hole without a ton of drop off when needed. It might make it easier for our coaches to teach the nuances of the game instead of focusing on teaching jags the basics because they are so raw and inexperienced.

You seem a little ahead of me. You make good points and I will have to reconsider my opinion. I have just disliked him so intensely for that cheap shot on Smitty among others that it is hard to see him in any other light. I don't like the Saints and he seemed to embody everything I disliked about them. I can't say he has done anything like that here so maybe he was highly suggestible to negative influences. Maybe he will be highly susceptible to positive influences as well. Food for thought, thanks.

The biggest reason to have a bruiser fullback would be to take advantage of the tendency for defenses to be smaller and faster making them susceptible to bigger bruising linemen and a big fullback. Over time this should wear down defenses and allows you to run at the end of the game when you are trying to run out the clock and dominate the defense. Plus it really ties into our philosophy and our personnel. Gettleman seems to favor bigger more physical guys with a nasty streak. That is perfect for shoving the ball down the opponent's throat and demoralizing them.

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​I played Football played through high school. I played soccer and tennis in college although soccer was not fully funded back then so it was a club sport. Most of my coaching has been at the below 14 year old level mostly in rec leagues and some club levels. The issue is that at each higher level players have to manage their emotions and learn not to let other players get into their head as every skill level improves. Pushing or blocking too long is not the same as throwing a punch which is what happened in both of these skirmishes. Sure fights happen and some coaches encourage it. I remember a middle coach in basketball encouraging me and another player to actually physically fight one another for a position to find out who wanted the position more. And lets be clear I had and sometimes still have a real issue with anger and usually was one of the main guys if there were any fighting going on. But what I learned and what I have taught my boys is that is not what makes you win or successful. If you are worried about the last play or what a guy did to you a few minutes ago it stops you from being in the game right now and focusing on what you need to do this play.

Of course the offense and defense need to bond with each other and believe in each other. Of course each unit will be closer to each other than they will be to a unit they are competing against but the offense has to believe the defense will make a play or pick them up and vice versa. I can remember in 2010 when the offense was so awful that the defense knew that if they gave up 20 points or we got more than 7 points behind we were going to lose.

It isnt much use arguing now that is it over and nothing did happen which is a good thing. This time. But it is naive to assume that it will always be that way or that there are never any negative consequences to fights between teammates in camp.