rayzor

sorry about forcing you to stay in the forum.

there were a few in the gabbert and locker camps. yo gabba had the most support between the two of them, though. i know many draftniks thought that this was largely a cam vs. gabbert draft and many in that debate were pro-gabba. no one was doing the stuff that we thought Cam would be doing. we'd never seen a QB like him tbh. a QB either passed a lot or ran a lot and they typically only ran if they couldn't throw very well...at least that was the narrative most ran with. we saw Cam throw and run in college, but few thought that it would transfer to the pros the way it did. but there were others who wanted Marcel Dareus, too. i think he had the most clamoring of any non-Qb player that year.

the only time they ever showed up was when he had a bad game. if he had a big game you never heard a peep from them so they weren't around much for the first few years.

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i don't think we're done in FA. holes/thin spots will be filled after the draft.

i'd like to end up with both Ringo and Mingo.

i think the texans probably have it narrowed down to 1 QB they will do anything for and if they can't get him, they'll go another direction. texans have a defensive minded coach so it shouldn't be a surprise that fixing the offense won't be as crucial in his mind as it would offensive coaches.

those who are worried about his durability are always going to be worried about it. he could be playing for 7 years before he misses time and you'll hear them all say, "you see, i was right! i'm always right. you all should have listened to me!"

challenge a draft spot with another team by playing poker. you win, you swap picks. you lose and you give up pick(s) next year.

he's pretty funny. as for the OP...

Oh it's fine. This does keep us busy. It's interesting and it's good to be the topic of discussion for a while. It's exciting and no one knows for sure but people keep hearing it thinking they are hearing things which adds to the intriguie. You know it might be best for people that are bothered by all this discussion to just avoid the huddle until the draft. It sure as hell won't be getting any better.

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Same here. I'd try my hardest to get on board but it wouldn't be easy. With Young or Stroud, I'm all "giddyup!" With Richardson, I'd buy in but I'd have my fingers crossed and be a bit nervous. With Levis....

You either scheme it in our you don't. You tailor your offense to fit your players after you've gotten players who fit your identity. If your identity doesn't depend on playing from under center, it's not a big deal to you. If you like plays from under center but like the player more, you fit what you do to the player.

It's a concern, but only if you are dead set on running a lot of plays from under center. Here's the thing, though, you don't have to run plays from center....ever. the league has been running less and less plays from under center over the past 15-20 years. Good OCs can arrange it so you can have a lethal offense and never run it from center. It's nothing more than a preference. It's not a necessity.

And every player is going to get hurt at some point.....every player is always at risk of a season or career ending injury at some point either by contact or a non-contact injury and there is absolutely no way to predict who it is or when it is. So draft nobody.

So I'm an idiot. I'm not anymore worried about Young getting hit than I am any other because I know bad hits can happen to anyone. Again, it doesn't matter how big you are if you get hit in just wrong way at the wrong spot in the wrong moment. And you may take Stroud, but your team might be picking Young.

You see, I think this is a legit concern then, because there's evidence that this has been an issue. Just how frequent a problem this has been would be the next area of discussion. I'm just not going to sit and ponder potential injuries for any player without any history of incident. Because if I did that for; ne I'd be doing it for everyone because I've seen catastrophic injuries of all kinds happen to players of all sizes. But until it's a demonstrative issue with a player, there is no issue. But then that's my opinion, my gut reaction to it all and I think that's what the whole debate comes down to ... what do you feel comfortable with and apparently it's a gut feeling and opinion that Young is at some point where you don't feel comfortable. But what you have to get comfortable with is that he might just be the pick. And if the is, you can sit and worry about the guy the whole time or just decide that he'll be fun to watch and worry about injury once there's an injury to worry about.

Yes...I've seen that...read it ...and it doesn't say where it becomes an actual concern more than anyone else. Where is the line between acceptable and not acceptable risk?

But it's always an issue for everyone getting hit, especially blindsided. Injury is unpredictable for everyone regardless of size. Degrees of injury is unpredictable for everyone. It's an unpredictable issue that doesn't care how big or small you are. He could be 3 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier and take one just right hit to the head his first game and career over. The durability of every player should always be a concern if it is a concern for any.

But where is that line? At what point is it not a problem or at least an acceptable problem. That's what no one is saying. Where's that line where it's too much of an issue?

But you are all coming up with this idea that at some point size becomes an issue for durability. Where is that line? Is there some sliding scale? Then where is it and where is the data to support it? When you say too small, where is the line where it's not an issue? What would have been an acceptable height/weight? How hard and fast is that line? What is it based on?

Where is the baseline for it being a problem? People cry "he's too short!" "he's too small!" But where is that definitive line? Where is that line between too short/small?

But is there evidence that smaller than average QBs are more prone to injury than larger ones? He'd probably be the smallest, but not the first smaller than average QB. Is there evidence to show that smaller than average players of any position are more prone to injury than larger ones?

But Bryce is brilliant and it's like having another OC on the team, at least according to Bill O'Brien, so it will be ok I guess. He'd better be all that.