rayzor

yeah, there's so many things to consider in it....scheme fit, personality fit, square hole fit...so many things to consider. it comes down to what each team values or just is looking for and they all aren't specifically looking for the same thing. just look at the current crop of WRs...who is the top 5 in the game right now and rank them. I would be shocked if there was anything close to a total consensus. the whole thing is completely subjective and each team decides for themselves how they rank. now they will try and get an idea on how much other teams like certain players, but the rankings that we all see are done by NFL outsiders who might have some connections within certain franchises, but all of those should be taken with a grain of salt. no team is going to base their board off walter football or mel kiper rankings or anything like that. we use them and think we're experts, but teams have their own and they go by their own boards. BPA is always based on the individual team's rankings made up specifically for their team which will likely be skewed by what they are looking for.

It's been a few years, but that was what i was hearing from people inside. Just a frustration from the scouting department. to be fair, it was only a couple instances that i heard it mentioned but the way i heard it or the way i interpreted it anyways was that this was a recurring issue. i can't remember if it was ever reported, though.

You choose the best by the standards and criteria you set based on things you deem important. There is no set ranking that everyone goes by. I think this where a lot of people get messed up thinking that everyone uses or has the same ranking of players or ranking system.

Lots of credit goes to Cam for a steller rookie year, but we were also built a hell of a lot better for a rookie QB. Said this in another thread... legendary WR, two absolute stud RBs who were also great receivers, and two stud TEs. Cam would have been good, but he needed all those parts to have a great rookie season. What did Bryce have? Hint: none of that. We are still weak at WR, especially for the long term. Imo, we need to get at least two out of this draft. We are abysmal at TE. There are maybe 5 in this draft who would be an immediate upgrade. We need one of them. And Chuba scares no one. Get us a damn playmaking hoss of an RB. There's at least 10 who would REALLY help us out. Get one of them as well. Go BPA....Best Playmakers Available. Get us some damn offensive talent. Overload on them. Fug balance. Just get yourself some damn offensive play makers.

I haven't seen the whole thing but what I saw I really liked. Yeah....seems like a whole lot of "well....duh" basic poo, but that's what we've been missing here. Everything they did has been hodge podge for years. There has been no real vision and no real collaboration. There's always just been one guy making the call on everything. It was Hurney, then Rhule, then Fitt. Canales comes in "as a newb" eager to learn, but in the process he gets everyone on the same page. Starts with the basics and with that created a floor, a foundation, to build on. Should they need to start over? No. Should they start over! Yes. It's pathetic that we have to start all over. But that's where we are. Get over it and get past it. We were built haphazardly. The closest abd most recent thing we've had to an actual decent plan was when we drafted Cam and out in what ever extra pieces we needed...namely two big vet TEs. We had the remnant of a decent OL and stud RBs and a legendary WR already here. There was very little we needed to succeed right out of the gate, but they knew a rookie QB was going to need a slid run game and big-time reliable passing targets including those stud RBs. When after that initial year, things started falling to crap slowl and then Gettleman came and really started fugging things up like some kind of fat al pacino wannabe gangster. Ever since then we've just thrown poo at the wall and hoped it worked. We tried to be clever without any clear vision of what we wanted the team to be. I think Rhule thought he did, but he was built for coaching motivating kids who don't know that he doesn't really know poo about football. Point is, we've been walking around aimless for over a decade. We now have it abd for that im especially grateful. Are they saying all the right things? I sure hope the hell they are because it sounds like they really know way they are doing. One thing that I really appreciated was Canales giving the scouts unsolicited praise and talked about how they were brought into the meetings with the coaching staff who, coach by coach, position by position, said what they were looking for and then took the scouting work they had already done and continued it to prepare for this draft. It sounds like an actual collaboration where the scouts know what the coaches are looking for and work to pair up players with the team, trying to find, what they called, the right panther fit. Again, sounds pretty elementary abd basic, but also again, this is something we haven't had. I remember going back to hurney's time I remember hearing sentiments from scouts who would do a ton of research on players leading up to the draft and when the draft was going on they would try to give their input based on months and sometimes years of watching these guys, going to their games, watching tape, meeting with players, teammates, position coaches, teachers, even family to try and get good insight on all the prospects, only to be treated like they weren't even in the room. They'd get excited about a pick coming up and who they thought would be a good fit and Hurney would just go another direction and then they would be questioning why they even bothered. Hurney did what Hurney was going to do without any input from anyone else. Rhule did the same thing. And then Fitt did the same damn thing after that power was taken away from Rhule. Sorry for all the words, but I really do feel like we're heading in the right direction.

I'm not surprised. I still feel like by training camp he'll be a panther again.

i honestly wouldn't hate it. the guy is a beast. honestly a toss up between him and Leggette if we're going for big bully WRs. i want one of them and a separation/route specialist like Pearsall or Malik Washington later. i figure Ladd is going to be gone anyways so i'm not even thinking about him anymore.

but it's neil fuggin diamond. who doesn't like neil diamond?

i think there was a thread about this a couple days ago when it came out. my reaction is now just as it was then... those WR choices blah

should we thank kraft or light a pile of dog poo in a bag on his front porch?

i think we had heard that there was some of this going on last year or at least at the end of the year.

He's a long snapper. Of course he can.

he shows the capacity for screwing up and then scrapping it and trying it again. if he is learning how to be a not horrible owner, these are the kinds of things you need to see...not digging your heels in the ground and refusing to admit you were wrong. scrapping a plan and going a different direction is admitting that you fugged up and you're going to try again. maybe he stumbled onto something good. i'm just glad he's trying to get it worked out. looks like he figured morgan was someone who could and should be trusted and then trusted him with selecting his own HC. the fact that didn't go after a hyped commodity is also different than what he has done. he did things differently this time around and he's staying in the background. i thin there's plenty of reason to be encouraged by what's going on. he hasn't given up. the team is rebuilding and reshaping. we haven't lost any games this season yet. until this iteration is proven to be a failure, i'm not going to deem it as such. also not deeming it as a success...i'm keeping an open mind and being hopeful so i can enjoy the offseason. again this is all my take. it may not be for everyone. it's definitely not for those afraid of getting hopes dashed. it takes a bit of courage to choose to be hopeful feel good about what is going on considering what we've experienced in the past.

glad he's ready to go. can't wait to see him in action here.

not sure about @ 33, but i wouldn't cry. i like him.

That was bad. Watch it happen.

wasn't there some guy from utah that got overlooked a few years ago?

we need to draft at least two. i'm not a fan of the WR room, but i am a fan of this WR draft class so as many chances as we can get to upgrade there, the better.

true. if all the fastest 40 timers do is run straight line routes, then sure...they have the advantage. just being able to run straight line doesn't mean that they will be the fastest route runners or even the fastest off the line.

i wouldn't hate this. would like to see another WR in there in addition to McConkey.

same. don't know much about Cephus but i need to check into him. One that is another smaller guy but a legit threat is anthony gould. guy is insanely quick.

We've got who we've got and we're stuck with it for a while. We can't draft based on the QB we wish we had. Focus has to be on who's best to help Bryce succeed. Doesn't matter if people don't want him. He's here. Now let's just try to make it work with him here.

We had a different QB. Guys like ginn are good for gunslingers. That ain't exactly Young. Get the WRs that will help Bryce rather than the type WRs you prefer.

Im pretty excited about a good few WRs in this class. I have to say Franklin isn't one of those guys I'm stoked about. If their greatest contribution is speed, I'm not the greatest fan. They have to either be a good route guy and create separation or be someone who can muscle the ball away from anyone. If they don't do either of those things we'll, I'm not a huge fan.