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How many were taken with the top pick vs later on? If you don't get the top pick, it doesn't se lem to matter where you get your QB in the first. And then compare that list with the total number of QBs picked with that first overall pick and also all picked anywhere in the first round. There is no guarantee that you'll get that franchise guy with the first overall or at any point in the first. Basically it doesn't matter where you get the QB in the first round. It's going to be a crapshoot. Just be ready for it. And in no way am I saying that we shouldn't get a QB in the first. We should. But I think if we don't get that first overall pick, draft BPA and then trade back into the first and get your QB. It's a risk, but hell...just drafting a QB anywhere in the first is a gamble.

best point i've seen him make in a while. just something to consider. i really want us to get a QB in the first round next year...but we have to keep remembering that no first round QB is ever a sure thing, which is especially important to remember in the first few picks. go for the sure(st) thing in the draft with the early pick and then use those picks from CMC's trade to come back in and pick up another QB if we like one that is still around.

He's a keeper

i've just got this feeling that we're no more or less guaranteed to get a good starter no matter where we draft out of the first round. no better odds anywhere in the first considering what has happened in the past. still think that as much as i would like to have either young or stroud, they are just as likely to bust or succeed as anyone else. would like for us to get one of the top DL prospects with our first pick and then come back in and take a shot on one of the other QB prospects in the first. what that means for this season is we just try to ball out and win as much as possible just to make it interesting and to give the guys something kind of positive to build on and to make this team more attractive to a potential head coach. if we just totally blow it or lay down the rest of the season, that's just not going to be a good enticement for a prospective head coach. if they see a team that has some talent and fight in it, they might feel good about what they've got to build on. i just don' think there's much need or incentive to tank. i mean if we lose out, we lose out. but don't do it intentionally.

Probably true. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Yeah, he's not in the same category of Baker or Sammy. He's not a failed project. He's a good QB with a good head on his shoulders and a good leader on a consistently bad team with a horrible culture.

I really like him and wish he were in a better situation. I don't want a retread except maybe as a bridge to developing a draft pick. He'd be my favorite among them. I don't want us to pick him up with the idea he's our long term starter. But if we were going to go that route again, he'd be one of just a couple I'd be somewhat ok with

Listen to the ones playing the game. Listen to the ones whose health and livelihoods depend on the ground they run on. Find players who think turf is better and listen to what they say and listen to players who think grass is better and compare notes. My guess is you aren't going to find many who think turf is better.

I can honestly say I don't really care at this point who is starting. It's going to be so up and down no matter who is slinging the ball, results won't be much different than they are now. I'm much more interested in who is the QB next year and I don't want it to be PJ, Sammy, or Baker. I'm done with all of them. I've seen everything I want to see and I don't want to see anymore.

maybe the best non-roided OL we've ever had.

just as a point of reference....this is from 2020 article where Orlovsky was asked about how he'd rank the QBs selected in the previous 2 years. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2020/04/29/espns-dan-orlovsky-ranks-burrow-darnold-top-quarterbacks-3-drafts/3048272001/ so in his rankings... 1) Sam Darnold 2) Joe Burrows 3) Kyler Murray 4) Tua Tagovailoa 5) Lamar Jackson

So first, nice well thought out good post. You shouldn't have taken so long for it. Second....what is your solution, then. I hear plenty of people make the same argument against drafting one early, which I understand, but that's all they do. That's not good enough. Come up with a solution.

I will say that if Stroud and Young are gone when we pick, but Anderson, Jalen Carter, or Myles Murphy is there, you go with that then do what it takes to grab your next favorite QB. But you do what you can to get a QB. You don't leave the draft without spending a lot of resources to pick up the best QB you can.

But they'll be an even better class of QBs in '25!!!!!!!!!!! Meh....quit playing this stupid game and just try to get the best QB you can WHEN you can.

Fitt for sure isn't immune from blame, but it seems like a move pushed by rhule and snow.

you've got to swing.

catch rate allowed..... 75.8 passer rating when targeted.... 123.5 he might be "ballin'" but the ones who are really ballin' are the QBs and WRs he's facing. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/cj-henderson/

big question is the QB rating when he's targeted.

That was one swing. This will be another.

Yeah, definitely don't piss around. Don't second guess yourself just keep swinging and hope you pull it off at some point.

Every year there are QBs who people think are going to be sure-fire studs, but bust. Sure, some pan out, but many just flat bust. Every year there are QBs who few thinks will amount to much, but who end up being really good, sometimes elite. Matt Corral might fall into the second category....but he also might not. A guy we draft next year might fall into the first category, or he might be a stud. Contrary to how brilliant any of you think you are, contrary to how brilliant any draft in thinks they are, and contrary to how brilliant a GM or HC might be considered...no one really knows until the damn games are played. It's all a crapshoot. But it's a crapshoot you've got to get in if you want to win the bigger game. So what do you do? How do you win a crapshoot? You keep shooting until you win it. You don't stop. You don't settle. You keep shooting until you win what you're wanting to win. Do we go with Corral or do we try again in '23 or do we try in '24? The answer to all of them is yes. We give it a go with Corral, but we also draft best QB available (or who we hope is) next year in case Corral isn't it, and if it doesn't look like either guy is it next year, we try for the best choice in '24. Point is, we HAVE to hit it with the right QB and to find him, we have to keep trying to find him until we do. There is no other way.

that's all fine, and i'm a corrall fan...but he shouldn't be the reason we don't draft a QB in the first. it all depends on what the new coach wants

I think you're grasping at straws to make a point.

Is that what he was doing to get injured?

This injury had nothing to do with being run into the ground.