Graham ruled a tight end

[PandaPancake]

False. Brady didn't take a paycut. He took all of his money and spread it out over more years of the contract. Basically guaranteeing he makes all of his money while being with the Pats until the end of his career.

 

My mistake. I did get my information from a die hard Patriots fan. And he's dead now. Then again I'm also taking your word for it.

[cbully]

[saints4life25]

My mistake. I did get my information from a die hard Patriots fan. And he's dead now. Then again I'm also taking your word for it.

Yeah, Patriots fans will have you believe he made the ultimate sacrifice. Basically he did the exact opposite of betting on himself. He took a deal that would pay him less money per year but had a better portion of it guaranteed. Basically, he knew he wasn't going to be playing at an elite level much longer, so he took a deal that would make it more likely that the Patriots stuck with him with a production drop, and even of they did cut him, he'd get more money.

Manning did the exact opposite. He took a small amount of fully guaranteed money. Every year after the second one the Broncos could cut him and not pay him a dime. But every year he's on the roster after a certain date, his salary becomes fully guaranteed at 18.5. He bet on himself.

[PandaPancake]

[saints4life25]

Is there exact numbers? How much? How many years? Guaranteed? Unless we have those numbers we can't act like we know anything.

I haven't been able to find any exact numbers. But I know it was said that he'd be the highest paid ever. I quick search and I could only find one article about it. Holder said he wasn't privy to the numbers.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2013/10/new_orleans_saints_face_intrig.html

[PandaPancake]

Manning did the exact opposite. He took a small amount of fully guaranteed money. Every year after the second one the Broncos could cut him and not pay him a dime. But every year he's on the roster after a certain date, his salary becomes fully guaranteed at 18.5. He bet on himself.

 

He makes a decent pizza too.

[Jangler]

there's nothing decent about Papa John's...

[saints4life25]

He makes a decent pizza too.

Mans a genius. Bought a bunch of Papa Johns franchises right before the legalization of marijuana in Colorado. Cha-Ching.

[PandaPancake]

Mans a genius. Bought a bunch of Papa Johns franchises right before the legalization of marijuana in Colorado. Cha-Ching.

 

One of them got robbed right after he took it over. But I think he received them as part of his endorsement. 

[Big A]

I haven't been able to find any exact numbers. But I know it was said that he'd be the highest paid ever. I quick search and I could only find one article about it. Holder said he wasn't privy to the numbers.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2013/10/new_orleans_saints_face_intrig.html

The offer the Saints are probably standing behind is something along the lines of five years for a total value of $47.5 million with $20 million guaranteed. This type of offer would be defensible from a club perspective for a number of reasons. First, it makes Graham the highest-paid player at his position. Second, it guarantees considerably more money than the $7.05 million of the franchise tender this year. Unfortunately, Graham and his agent likely do not agree with the Saints’ perspective.

From the agent’s perspective, this is likely a case of the aforementioned unique player. Unique players get contracts that reset the market place by a larger margin, and Graham is one of those players. There is precedent in this line of thinking such as when Larry Fitzgerald reset the wide receiver market, moving the number of the highest receiver contract from roughly $10 million per year to $15 million per season, or when Adrian Peterson reset the running back market from roughly $9 million per year to his $14.2 million average. In addition, there are currently wide receivers making $10 - $12 million per year who Graham has out-produced, as well as the fact that the salary cap increased $10 million (or 8.13%) this year providing teams with the ability to increase pay accordingly. The agent is likely asking for something in the range of $12 - $13 million per season with a guarantee of $30 million, which has led to the dilemma and potential pending grievance.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-Jimmy-Graham-dilemma.html

[JawnyBlaze]

He's worth every bit of a top tier WR, however he's a TE.  For tagging purposes, he should get TE money because he's a TE.  His long term contract, with whatever team it's with, will be that of a top tier pass catcher.  But for this year, he's gonna get paid as a top tier TE...because he's a TE.

[saints4life25]

The offer the Saints are probably standing behind is something along the lines of five years for a total value of $47.5 million with $20 million guaranteed. This type of offer would be defensible from a club perspective for a number of reasons. First, it makes Graham the highest-paid player at his position. Second, it guarantees considerably more money than the $7.05 million of the franchise tender this year. Unfortunately, Graham and his agent likely do not agree with the Saints’ perspective.

From the agent’s perspective, this is likely a case of the aforementioned unique player. Unique players get contracts that reset the market place by a larger margin, and Graham is one of those players. There is precedent in this line of thinking such as when Larry Fitzgerald reset the wide receiver market, moving the number of the highest receiver contract from roughly $10 million per year to $15 million per season, or when Adrian Peterson reset the running back market from roughly $9 million per year to his $14.2 million average. In addition, there are currently wide receivers making $10 - $12 million per year who Graham has out-produced, as well as the fact that the salary cap increased $10 million (or 8.13%) this year providing teams with the ability to increase pay accordingly. The agent is likely asking for something in the range of $12 - $13 million per season with a guarantee of $30 million, which has led to the dilemma and potential pending grievance.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-Jimmy-Graham-dilemma.html

Yeah, he was more looking for official number reports. We can all guesstimate what they are, but no one knows for sure yet.

[t96]

Simply another cry baby player that is only thinking about the $$$. So sad. OMG im only getting $7mil this season. I want more. Boo frigging whoo. You were drafted a damn TE. Guess frigging what your going to be paid as a damn TE. Suck it and drive on. You get paid millions of dollars to play a game for a living.. a frigging game. almost every other person in the wolrd lives on less than a 1/10th of what your single season salary is. STFU and play the game!

The market dictates the price. If you don't like it then don't watch the sport and don't spend money to go to games. They make exactly what they should make because fans are willing to pay that and their jobs are not easily replaced. As for Graham, it absolutely makes sense that he wants to be (and deserves to be) paid more. He has unique production that no one else in the league has matched except for maybe Gronk, and he's only in the league for so many years. Gotta make as much as you can while you can because once it comes to an end he'll be jobless and making nothing. And an injury at any time could end his career and earning potential. He's not a very marketable athlete at TE like LeBron and won't make much after football so you can't blame him for trying to make as much as possible.

[Snake]

Dude just got screwed over big time by his team. Saints are on a path of destruction for sure.