Hornets Sign Marvin Williams

[RoaringRiot]

No, I don't need to name one just like I don't need to name every species of ant to know that ants exist, because the question is a stupid one that proves nothing whether I did or didn't.

This is your entire posting logic in a nutshell.

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[MV%doe]

Just shows that the young PFs are not ready, market had nothing here but marvin. He was a mid level type of value in my book, but what's 1.xx more when the young players are not ready? Putting zeller or noah out there could ruin either. He fills a need and once his contract is done either zeller/noah should be ready

[ThinkAboutIt]

Hahaha....now I've heard it all. So you just keep referring to past performance to fug with me, not because you mean it? Hahahaha

Do you get that teams will pay a little more to get a player on a shorter contract? In your Lance mancrush have you not seen Dallas may pay more to get him for two years?

You've got a long way to go in your armchair GM major, obviously.

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And have you not seen that teams pay players that they want on their teams whatever it takes to get those players on their teams?

 

So, like I said, if Williams required $7M a year then he was not worth having on the team. 

 

The mechanics of contracting is ancillary to the point I'm making. 

 

They signed Marvin Williams because they wanted him, and they overpaid him because of it, which makes wanting him stupid. 

[MedellinHeel]

Maybe he'll have a "breakout year" if he's not the 4th option behind Paul George, David West and Roy Hibbert.

 

His 54% from 2pts and 36% from 3pts are much more important than his "PPG." Guys with much higher PPG shoot much worse percentages than Stephenson does, proving that opportunities (field goal attempts per game) matter just as much. He'd get many more of those in Charlotte, so his PPG should increase.

 

Hayward averaged 3PPG more than Stephenson while shooting 29% from 3pts and 45% from 2pts, obviously because he got a lot more attempts per game, and people here thought he was worth almost $16M a year? Some of you people are a joke. 

 

shooting %'s are not the end all be all. i could find complete one dimensional role players who have good shooting %'s. 

 

heyward was / is worth more money because he is simply more skilled and a better basketball player than lance regardless of any stats. 

[RoaringRiot]

Just shows that the young PFs are not ready, market had nothing here but marvin. He was a mid level type of value in my book, but what's 1.xx more when the young players are not ready? Putting zeller or noah out there could ruin either. He fills a need and once his contract is done either zeller/noah should be ready

Yep...seems pretty obvious to me too.

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[ThinkAboutIt]

shooting %'s are not the end all be all. i could find complete one dimensional role players who have good shooting %'s. 

 

heyward was / is worth more money because he is simply more skilled and a better basketball player than lance regardless of any stats. 

 

I never said they were the "end all be all," I said they also matter. 

 

Whether Hayward is a "more skilled and better basketball player" is debatable. Hayward struggled last season as the #1 option on Utah even though he averaged more points. Lance didn't struggle as the #4 option on Indiana, but he didn't have as much responsibility either.

 

We don't know what Stephenson would do as a #1 option, and he got way less opportunities than Hayward did, so it's premature to suggest that Hayward is the better of the two. 

 

He got offered more money because his PPG was higher...and other reasons.

[ThinkAboutIt]

Just shows that the young PFs are not ready, market had nothing here but marvin. He was a mid level type of value in my book, but what's 1.xx more when the young players are not ready? Putting zeller or noah out there could ruin either. He fills a need and once his contract is done either zeller/noah should be ready

 

And he could've filled that same "need" for less than $7M, or they could've found another PF who would fill that same short-term role for less than $7M, so again, why did they have to overpay this guy?

[teeray]

If you are buying something, if the salesman tells you can pay 14 million in two years, or 15 million in three years, do you really think you are getting something less expensive because it only costs 5 million per year?

 

We saved a couple million on this deal

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Wrong thread

[MichaelNewtonII]

Clifford said at the summer league game today it isn't a done deal with Marvin Williams

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[Gay Cowboy]

Clifford said at the summer league game today it isn't a done deal with Marvin Williams

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It's a done deal. Stop spewing false information. He just can't comment on him until the NBA league office "officially" approves it.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Clifford said at the summer league game today it isn't a done deal with Marvin Williams

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That means he hasn't signed, so Clifford can't speak on the subject.

Weird NBA rules.

[MichaelNewtonII]

It's a done deal. Stop spewing false information. He just can't comment on him until the NBA league office "officially" approves it.

shut up Steve Clifford said it wasn't a done deal on live television. It's perfectly credible information

[Rise of The Hive]

We had to do something for a pissed off Coach Cliff when we let McBob go. Williams will start at the 4 I assume.