Ian Rappaport:J.Graham appeals decision

[LinvilleGorge]

This is what 90% of panthers fans were saying about hurney. Trust me dude you are in for a rude awakening.

 

This is 100% fact.  People used to swear that Hurney was a cap genius.  He pulled it off for quite a while, but eventually found the bottom of that hole.

[saints4life25]

Yet over the hill, lost a couple of steps Steve Smith could still toy with Talib. Schooled him so bad he had to go take a seat.

Smith isn't the only one who schooled Talib. Jimmy wasn't the only one Talib shut down. Different players are different match ups. Smith is smaller and quicker which presents a problem for Talib. Graham is usually just physically dominant over who ever is covering him, and he's not with Talib.

[saints4life25]

Still no sane reason as to why Saints fans post here.

Other than for football discussion purposes? God forbid there be a dissenting opinion amongst you. I don't get into trolling or taking jabs. I just talk football. Still no sane reason for that to be a problem.

[saints4life25]

This is what 90% of panthers fans were saying about hurney. Trust me dude you are in for a rude awakening.

Loomis has been at it for the Saints since 2002, the same year Hurney started for the Panthers. Let's just ignore the fact that Hurney was a journalist who got the GM job and Loomis has an actual accounting degree, and assume they're both doomed to the same fate though.

[PandaPancake]

Other than for football discussion purposes? God forbid there be a dissenting opinion amongst you. I don't get into trolling or taking jabs. I just talk football. Still no sane reason for that to be a problem.

 

I'm sorry. I don't remember mentioning you by name. Feeling guilty for something?

 

But I'm going back to figuring out how a 5'10" 30 something WR can shut down a CB while the same CB can shut down a 6'7" TE. This may take all night because it makes no fuging sense much like Saints fans.

[saints4life25]

I'm sorry. I don't remember mentioning you by name. Feeling guilty for something?

But I'm going back to figuring out how a 5'10" 30 something WR can shut down a CB while the same CB can shut down a 6'7" TE. This may take all night because it makes no fuging sense much like Saints fans.

You're right! Maybe it was one of the other Saints fans commenting in the thread! Oh wait... We both know who you were talking to, but the I wasn't even talking about you act is cute.

I explained it a few posts up if you'd care to look. Thanks for adding to the discussion though!

[TheRumGone]

Loomis has been at it for the Saints since 2002, the same year Hurney started for the Panthers. Let's just ignore the fact that Hurney was a journalist who got the GM job and Loomis has an actual accounting degree, and assume they're both doomed to the same fate though.

No accounting degree is going to help the way these contracts are designed. Restructure all you want and throw that money down the road, just like we did, you will hit the bottom regardless. Only hope is if people start taking paycuts which is pretty much unlikely.

[SCP]

With the recent history down there in New Orleans, the Saints and Loomis are probably cooking the books somehow. Once a cheat always a cheat.

[LinvilleGorge]

No accounting degree is going to help the way these contracts are designed. Restructure all you want and throw that money down the road, just like we did, you will hit the bottom regardless. Only hope is if people start taking paycuts which is pretty much unlikely.

This. Saints fans want to act like Loomis is infallible, but the Saints weren't poo until they lucked into Brees in free agency who most of the league had written off as having a bum shoulder. It's hard to fug up when you have a franchise QB. The rubber meets the road when you have to replace one. We'll find out what Loomis is made of in the coming years.

In Hurney's defense, he never had a true franchise QB and many of his bad contracts were players who had their careers derailed by injury.

[saints4life25]

No accounting degree is going to help the way these contracts are designed. Restructure all you want and throw that money down the road, just like we did, you will hit the bottom regardless. Only hope is if people start taking paycuts which is pretty much unlikely.

I just find it easier to trust an accountant with money than a journalist is all I'm saying. You may end up being right in the long run, but I have faith in Loomis at the moment. Hopefully it stays that way.

[Bodybag]

No accounting degree is going to help the way these contracts are designed. Restructure all you want and throw that money down the road, just like we did, you will hit the bottom regardless. Only hope is if people start taking paycuts which is pretty much unlikely.

 

 

We were in cap hell before the draft, remember? Then BAM we signed Byrd and your god promptly abandoned you. Still, I guess it can't hurt to pray that JG holds out, or some team is dumb enough to trade 2 draft picks AND pay him north of 10 mil per year, or whatever.

[LinvilleGorge]

We were in cap hell before the draft, remember? Then BAM we signed Byrd and your god promptly abandoned you. Still, I guess it can't hurt to pray that JG holds out, or some team is dumb enough to trade 2 draft picks AND pay him north of 10 mil per year, or whatever.

We were in cap hell and still fit a franchise tag DE under the cap. See how that works.

[panthers55]

If Drew goes into next year having a 26 mil cap hit and 27 the year after that, I will post a thread on the main board about how I was wrong and will never post here again. It's just not going to happen.

I think Grubbs and Byrds deals will stay the same, but I would bet there will be a change with Evans and Colston. Byrd had a tiny cap hit this year, but other than that his contrat is spread fairly evenly. I wouldn't call it backloaded. There's a reason Brees deal hasn't been touched. There's such a clear line in that contract to where something will be worked out.

Before the offseason, everyone claimed the Saints were in cap hell and wouldn't be able to sign Graham. Not only are they able to do that, but also handed out another huge contract. Loomis is a genius with the numbers. I'll continue trusting him, while rival teams continue to talk about cap hell every year.

The only way to keep Brees from having a 26 million cap in 2015 is to restructure which isn't anything but backloading the contract even more than now. That is the problem here,  If you keep backloading contracts by pushing money to later years you build up more dead money and you keep paying for nothing in subsequent years.

 

If Brees gets restructured you are just guaranteeing he isn't your quarterback for more than 1 or 2 years at the most.  You can't just ignore the money or keep pushing it out. Otherwise his cap hit will reach 30 million or more in a few years.

 

As for Evans and Colston you either pay them 20 million in 2015 or you pay 10 million in dead money and don't have either of them.  Or you do what I told you they were doing which is through restructure backloading the contracts even more and pushing more money into later years.

 

Yeah like I said, you can keep trying to manipulate the numbers but sooner or later you have to pay the price.

 

First of all the Saints are in cap hell and just because they signed Byrd to a cap friendly deal in 2014 and will do the same to Graham as well won't change that they can't afford to keep paying the money.  Byrd counts 3 this year and 10 next.  Graham will likely not cost more than the 7 million this year but it will go up to 12-14 next year.  That is an increase of likely 15 million which when you add to Brees contract will add 20 million or more to the cap with those 3 alone.

 

The Saints keep acting like they can do what other teams can't and not pay the price, but then again they thought they could do that with bountygate as well.  Problem is that you have to pay the price sooner or later.  Bottomline is Loomis is just delaying the inevitable.

[SCP]

We were in cap hell before the draft, remember? Then BAM we signed Byrd and your god promptly abandoned you. Still, I guess it can't hurt to pray that JG holds out, or some team is dumb enough to trade 2 draft picks AND pay him north of 10 mil per year, or whatever.

While you're here, y'all need to take the 4'8" cankled Spaniard back with you. He is littering the smack forum with threads about Bermuda grass and green health shakes.