The Seahawks have changed as well...

[Chrome_Seahawk]

The Panthers defense went trough a lot of turnover for the better.... 

 

But LOL at your post for being generalist and not knowing what you are talking about...

My post for being generalist?  Pot meet kettle.  I actually made reference to specific stats where the 49ers outranked the Panthers in the comparsion...while yours refers to the warm fuzzy of "turnover for the better".  I get that the Panthers have improved, I really do....but do you care to answer my question? 

[Snake]

The panthers have had a massive turnover on defense...

Our defense was statistically awful the last time we played (ranked in the mid 20s) we put in a new secondary and over the last 5 games are ranked top 5 in every major category...

For shits and giggles go see what that niners defense let Ryan Lindley do and tell me that it's a good measuring stick compared to what he did vs the panthers...

They keep doubting us but they are going to learn. They are going to learn real quick.

[L-TownCat]

They were streaking, we are streaking. I'll take our chances here.

This team is seriously hot right now.

Winning ugly is still winning and this game is guaranteed to be ugly.

[Chrome_Seahawk]

Oh no,  those poor guys had to travel??!  For a 10am game?  I am so tired of the NFL just setting the deck against those Seahawks. 

 

 

They had no Wagner, either?  Oh poo.      We're only starting 3/4 of a new secondary,   3/5 of a new Oline (correct if I'm wrong)...  but yeah,  the Seahawks without one of their least important players on defense,  is totally groundbreaking. 

Hey, travelling is part of the game, but there is a published correlation between teams from the West Coast travelling to play 1PM EST games:  https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/nfl-west-coast-teams-traveling-east/

 

Despite this difficulty, the Seahawks won the game earlier this year (and other 10 AM games over the past few seasons).

 

As for Wagner - "one of their least important players on defense"?? The Hawks may have more defensive stars than the Panthers, but Bobby Wagner is our Luke Kuechly.  Imagine the hit your defense would take if Kuechly was to go down.  We were noticeably softer up the middle during the weeks he was out and teams had a lot more success running on us during that time period.

[teeray]

Eagles with Mark Sanchez, as we all found out, are still decent enough. Dominated the Cowboys. The 49ers were pretty good until the Hawks sent them into a tailspin.

 

Cardinals with Ryan Lindley do suck ass though

 

Seahawks lost to the Cowboys.

[volsunghawk]

Just to contribute to the thread, here's something I wrote on a different board that outlines a bit of how our season went:

 

Seattle had such a weird regular season this year. Part of the struggles were due to some key injuries along the O-line and on D. The CB position opposite Sherman was a revolving door for the first half of the season, Chancellor missed some time and wasn't 100% when he did come back, and Wagner was out during that stretch when Seattle looked discombobulated.

 

But a bigger issue in my opinion was the brutal mistake that was Percy Harvin. I was hopeful that he'd turn over a new leaf when we traded for him, and provide us a weapon that would take our offense to a new level. But his health issues kept the team from seeing what he could do for the most part last year. This year, they seemed like they wanted to build the offense around what he could do - get him in space and let him make plays. It cost us Golden Tate, and worse, it was a departure from the team's offensive identity. The Seahawks have been a team that relies on Marshawn Lynch punishing defenses and allowing Russell Wilson to improvise around that run threat. Changing from that was a terrible idea, and it was exacerbated by the continued chemistry issues in the locker room caused by Harvin. It finally came to a head during the Dallas game when Harvin refused to go back in the game in the 4th quarter when Seattle was attempting to tie the game. I think it took the team a bit to find itself again offensively, and that's why they still looked sketchy even against Oakland and KC.

 

Now, they're still limited offensively due to the lack of experienced weapons on offense, but they seem to be handling that okay. After all, during this 6 game win streak, they've played some pretty strong defenses and done okay. 

 

The biggest changes for the Seahawks between Week 8 when our teams played each other and now boil down to better health (particularly for Kam Chancellor), starters/key contributors returned from injury (Wagner, Maxwell, Simon), and a return to the offensive identity that is key to how this team is built.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Seahawks lost to the Cowboys.

I was talking about the Eagles. And yes, I know they ended up splitting in the end.

[teeray]

I was talking about the Eagles. And yes, I know they ended up splitting in the end.

 

Gotcha.

 

We are going way off course, I was just asking if your claim that they had the toughest schedule in NFL after week 11 was based off of the teams as constituted or record.

 

[Snake]

Just to contribute to the thread, here's something I wrote on a different board that outlines a bit of how our season went:

Seattle had such a weird regular season this year. Part of the struggles were due to some key injuries along the O-line and on D. The CB position opposite Sherman was a revolving door for the first half of the season, Chancellor missed some time and wasn't 100% when he did come back, and Wagner was out during that stretch when Seattle looked discombobulated.

But a bigger issue in my opinion was the brutal mistake that was Percy Harvin. I was hopeful that he'd turn over a new leaf when we traded for him, and provide us a weapon that would take our offense to a new level. But his health issues kept the team from seeing what he could do for the most part last year. This year, they seemed like they wanted to build the offense around what he could do - get him in space and let him make plays. It cost us Golden Tate, and worse, it was a departure from the team's offensive identity. The Seahawks have been a team that relies on Marshawn Lynch punishing defenses and allowing Russell Wilson to improvise around that run threat. Changing from that was a terrible idea, and it was exacerbated by the continued chemistry issues in the locker room caused by Harvin. It finally came to a head during the Dallas game when Harvin refused to go back in the game in the 4th quarter when Seattle was attempting to tie the game. I think it took the team a bit to find itself again offensively, and that's why they still looked sketchy even against Oakland and KC.

Now, they're still limited offensively due to the lack of experienced weapons on offense, but they seem to be handling that okay. After all, during this 6 game win streak, they've played some pretty strong defenses and done okay.

The biggest changes for the Seahawks between Week 8 when our teams played each other and now boil down to better health (particularly for Kam Chancellor), starters/key contributors returned from injury (Wagner, Maxwell, Simon), and a return to the offensive identity that is key to how this team is built.

Honestly, that's not called change that's called getting healthy. The Panthers were also struggling from injuries when we last met but the biggest changes came from new players that developed. Most of the team you played is gone.

[volsunghawk]

Honestly, that's not called change that's called getting healthy. The Panthers were also struggling from injuries when we last met but the biggest changes came from new players that developed. Most of the team you played is gone.

 

Oh, no debate on how much change Carolina has gone through, and kudos to your new guys for stepping it up.

 

As for Seattle, yeah, getting healthy is huge, but I'd argue that our offensive philosophy change is pretty important, too. Getting back to basics has paid off well over the last 10 games. That process had just gotten underway the last time our teams met.

[Snake]

Oh, no debate on how much change Carolina has gone through, and kudos to your new guys for stepping it up.

As for Seattle, yeah, getting healthy is huge, but I'd argue that our offensive philosophy change is pretty important, too. Getting back to basics has paid off well over the last 10 games. That process had just gotten underway the last time our teams met.

The Hawk and Panthers are such similar teams in that regard. We run the ball and let athletic QBs make plays. On defense its all about imposing our will on the offense.

[volsunghawk]

The Hawk and Panthers are such similar teams in that regard. We run the ball and let athletic QBs make plays. On defense its all about imposing our will on the offense.

 

Agreed. At home, the Seahawks D has done a pretty good job at holding the opponent's run game in check. They've only allowed teams to rush for over 100 yards twice, once against Kaepernick and the Niners and then that ugly Dallas game. For the rest of the season, Seattle's D has been really, really good at home, even when the offense has struggled. They've allowed 4 rushing TDs all year at home, and 8 passing TDs.

 

Honestly, I think Seattle's biggest weakness at home has been to TEs, as 6 of those 8 passing TDs were to TEs. However, all of those scores occurred when Chancellor was hampered a bit and/or when Wagner was out, which left some pretty big coverage gaps for us. I'm hoping they can keep Olsen in check. 

[SNB]

There are only 3 factors that matter:

 

1. Which Cam showsing up.... Hopefully the good and smiling Cam does

2. Which KB shows up..... Hopefully the one who does not drop catches

3. Which ST shows up.... Hopefully the one who do not mess up

 

If these three work out, we have the edge and WILL WIN!! All other factors balance out for us and the Hawks.

[Chrome_Seahawk]

There are only 3 factors that matter:

 

1. Which Cam showsing up.... Hopefully the good and smiling Cam does

2. Which KB shows up..... Hopefully the one who does not drop catches

3. Which ST shows up.... Hopefully the one who do not mess up

 

If these three work out, we have the edge and WILL WIN!! All other factors balance out for us and the Hawks.

Which edge is that?  I fully support fans being homers for their own teams....I myself am one.  However, it is hard to look at stats, records and position by position comparisons and find places where the Panthers have the edge.  Who knows, maybe the Panthers will play a great game and the Hawks won't.....and the Panthers will move on....but it won't be because of a perceived edge.   (Unless that edge is height at those players positions  )