Phillip Dorsett to meet with Panthers

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

I think Dorsett isn't going to be big enough for the nfl frame wise.

Antonio Brown has been just fine.

[toldozer]

Antonio Brown has been just fine.

Brown had 305 catches in three years.

Dorsett 121 in four. Brown had almost as much production in one year as Dorsett had in four

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

Brown had 305 catches in three years.

Dorsett 121 in four. Brown had almost as much production in one year as Dorsett had in four

What does any of that have to do with his size and whether or not he can hold up in the NFL?

[toldozer]

What does any of that have to do with his size and whether or not he can hold up in the NFL?

Brown was a proven pass catcher and went in the sixth round because of size. Dorsett is a one trick track guy imo and you want use to draft him in the first round?

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

Brown was a proven pass catcher and went in the sixth round because of size. Dorsett is a one trick track guy imo and you want use to draft him in the first round?

 

Your initial statement expressed concern that Dorsett can't or may not be able to hold up physically in the NFL due to his size. I brought up Antonio Brown because they are the exact same size and Brown has been able to handle the punishment in the league despite being on the smaller side. I didn't realize we were even discussing college production or any sort of other comparisons outside of size alone since you expressed a concern about his durability. 

[toldozer]

Your initial statement expressed concern that Dorsett can't or may not be able to hold up physically in the NFL due to his size. I brought up Antonio Brown because they are the exact same size and Brown has been able to handle the punishment in the league despite being on the smaller side. I didn't realize we were even discussing college production or any sort of other comparisons outside of size alone since you expressed a concern about his durability.

My point is Brown had huge production at dorsett's size but was a sixth round pick. Why do you think that is? His size was a concern. He was ten times the college player dorsett was yet you think Phillip is worth a first round pick. Do you see my point now?

[davos]

I like the John Brown (WR-AZ) comparison I've seen with Dorsett.  Looking back, Brown is definitely a first rounder. 

 

An interesting tape I'm sure our staff looked at was the Miami-FSU game.  That Miami team was burning the hyped secondary of FSU (Darby, Williams) with Dorsett coming in big.  Miami could have won that game with a more competent defense.  People like Darby's quickness as a CB, well Dorsett beat it. 

 

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

My point is Brown had huge production at dorsett's size but was a sixth round pick. Why do you think that is? His size was a concern. He was ten times the college player dorsett was yet you think Phillip is worth a first round pick. Do you see my point now?

 

Before you even made your point about Brown and his production in college you mentioned concern over Dorsett's size. That is all I was alluding to when I mentioned Antonio Brown. Their similarities in size/stature. That is it. I wasn't discussing anything about their college careers or how Dorsett may translate his skills in the NFL. I was simply mentioning Brown's name as a reason I'm not worried about Dorsett's durability/size. 

 

But yes, now that you mention it...I do believe Dorsett is worth a first round pick. Just because he wasn't asked to run the entire route tree in his offense and was the go-to deep threat doesn't mean he is a one trick pony or lacks the ability to run other routes. He is extremely fast and quick in and out of his breaks and would give any corner nightmares trying to cut on a dime to stay on his hip. All accounts from his Pro Day state he impressed all in attendance with his route running ability and hands. Lets also not pretend Brown was facing top competition in college while playing at Central Michigan in the Mid-American Conference. Dorsett was facing NFL corners in the ACC on a weekly basis and played his senior year with a true freshman at QB in an offense that ran first and gave the rock to Duke Johnson 20+ carries a game. I think his game compliments Kelvin's tremendously well...we need a deep threat and a receiver that can run after the catch and turn small gains into home runs. 

[toldozer]

If he's the pick I'll be fine with it. Would feel much better about him in the second or third round though. Not saying I don't think he can play. I just don't think he can come in immediately and contribute which is what we need out of a first rounder

[Mol3m4n]

Dorsett is a one trick track guy imo and you want use to draft him in the first round?

This is blatantly wrong. Dorsett can run a large amount of routes well but wasn't asked to due to the system that he was in. Devin Smith is in the same boat as Dorsett.

[toldozer]

This is blatantly wrong. Dorsett can run a large amount of routes well but wasn't asked to due to the system that he was in. Devin Smith is in the same boat as Dorsett.

So he can do it in practice but never did in a game. sounds like a first round pick to me

[Ken]

So he can do it in practice but never did in a game. sounds like a first round pick to me

 

Um no. He ran a variety of routes in college. Not just go's and curls. He showed on tape that he is a crisp route runner and is great/explosive in and out of his cuts. He's known to be smart, a hard worker and is basically pro ready.

 

He was limited by the system Miami ran and poor QB play in his senior year... still put up 800+ yards and 10TDs.  Injured as a junior. As a sophomore he had 58 catches for 842 yards and four touchdowns. 

 

Dude is a stud and is a perfect compliment to KB and great fit for our offense.

 

Clearly you haven't really watched/read up on Dorsett so I probably just wasted my time typing that out.

[gettlemanjack]

former NFL DE Stephen White's review of Dorsett:

most of it was a rant on how horrible the Miami coaches were for not feeding him the ball more ("How their offensive coordinator still has a job is beyond me... his college coaches did not have a f***ing clueb....etc etc etc)

"This kid checks off damn near all the boxes when it comes to what you want in a wide receiver. ... if Phillip Dorsett goes to a team with a good offensive coordinator, a good quarterback and a decent offensive line, you better watch the hell out. (And) a lot of those kinds of teams tend to pick at the bottom of the first round of the draft."

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/4/27/8465741/2015-nfl-draft-phillip-dorsett-miami-scouting-report-breakdown

[LUUUUUKE]

All I know is that we had better not take Devin Smith over Dorsett. I dgaf how much Bill Polian loved this pick in ESPN.