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philit99

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But Holder was a coke fiend and stuff!!! Hardy couldn't have done it!

When Darren Sharper was charged with rape (7 times) there were people spamming the threads about how the women were gold diggers and no way he did it. There's really no point in engaging, some people have agendas they're not going to back down from.

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No I don't believe that at all. A team like the Raiders or the Cowboys would absolutely handle it differently than the Panthers. They should all be able to handle it however they want to. Can you try to explain to me the logic behind the league having anything to do with off the field incidents? It has absolutely nothing to do with the league or football. The legal system should handle it. Why should a player who does something off the field be held accountable by a football league? Makes no sense. People with regular jobs would not have it the same way. Their employers would decide whether to discipline them or fire them. In the NFL it should be the same. The man writing the players' paychecks should be the one deciding. 

 This makes absolutely no sense at all. Players would still have the exact same consequences anyone else would have if it were done the way I think it should be done. Nowhere have I suggested that football is more important than anything else. 

So based on this logic, I can assume that you have an equal or similar level of outrage regarding how Ray Rice was treated. Correct?

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When Darren Sharper was charged with rape (7 times) there were people spamming the threads about how the women were gold diggers and no way he did it. There's really no point in engaging, some people have agendas they're not going to back down from.

Some will defend anyone as long as they're putting some numbers in the box score, painting it as "being objective" along the way.  

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Some will defend anyone as long as they're putting some numbers in the box score, painting it as "being objective" along the way.  

Darren Sharper was a damn division rival and people here were defending him. They get too caught up in the circlejerk they have with their buddies about how men are the real victims in society, so never believe that a guy could ever do something wrong.

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Darren Sharper was a damn division rival and people here were defending him. They get too caught up in the circlejerk they have with their buddies about how men are the real victims in society, so never believe that a guy could ever do something wrong.

I actually didn't know people here were defending him. I'm not nearly as active on the board as I used to be years ago. That's pretty sad.  

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Darren Sharper was a damn division rival and people here were defending him. They get too caught up in the circlejerk they have with their buddies about how men are the real victims in society, so never believe that a guy could ever do something wrong

Wtf are you trying to say here? One guy did something wrong so we should assume all accused players did something wrong too?

 

Please provide a rational argument  

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Wtf are you trying to say here? One guy did something wrong so we should assume all accused players did something wrong too?

 

Please provide a rational argument  

I'm saying that some people will defend any man accused of a crime against a woman no matter the circumstance.

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So based on this logic, I can assume that you have an equal or similar level of outrage regarding how Ray Rice was treated. Correct?

I didn't follow that case as closely as I followed the Hardy case, but from my understanding Rice got off with pretty much no legal discipline. I believe that should not have been the case--he should've gotten jail time. And I don't believe the league should have suspended him at all. The Ravens as a team should've been the ones deciding what to do, and if they wanted to make the right choice they would've released him immediately after. But it should have been their choice to make. And if they wanted to let him play they should've been able to. If fans/viewers (the ones the team and league is making money off of) didn't want to watch a player like Rice play then they should've not only voiced their concerns but stopped contributing to the league. That would force the team to make a move or deal with the consequences of letting him play--their loss of profit.

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Say all you want about Holder as a person, legal technicalities or whatever, the fact is Hardy was convicted during a bench trial

If you understood anything about bench trials in this state, you'd know they are glorified grand juries. The trial is so insignificant they don't even keep court records of it. But facts don't fit your narrative.

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I didn't follow that case as closely as I followed the Hardy case, but from my understanding Rice got off with pretty much no legal discipline. I believe that should not have been the case--he should've gotten jail time. And I don't believe the league should have suspended him at all. The Ravens as a team should've been the ones deciding what to do, and if they wanted to make the right choice they would've released him immediately after. But it should have been their choice to make. And if they wanted to let him play they should've been able to. If fans/viewers (the ones the team and league is making money off of) didn't want to watch a player like Rice play then they should've not only voiced their concerns but stopped contributing to the league. That would force the team to make a move or deal with the consequences of letting him play--their loss of profit.

That's because his wife (then fiance') wouldn't cooperate with prosecution. He faced plenty of discipline though. He lost his job and has subsequently been blackballed from the league partly due to transgressions and partly due to being a 30 year old RB who wasn't performing prior to the incident. 

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I'm saying that some people will defend any man accused of a crime against a woman no matter the circumstance.

Weird, maybe so. I'm certainly not that way.

 

 

 I want to win championships,  if a guy isn't convicted and he's good I want him on the field. Idk if Hardy did what she claims or not. I don't see a lot of evidence that he did but in the end they didn't have enough evidence to prosocute. I wish Jerry ran things differently, he hurts our chances to succeed. If the Lakers ran their organization the way Jerry does Kobe would have been let go and they wouldn't have won championships. (Edit, I can't remember if kobe won one after the rape thing or  not, I think they lost to Detroit,  but u get the pt)

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I'm saying that some people will defend any man accused of a crime against a woman no matter the circumstance.

Some people may, but not many. I believe that it's possible Hardy is completely innocent. I also believe Ray Rice should have served jail time for what he did. People should be able to look objectively at each case as they all differ.

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