Cam for MVP, debunking statistical assumptions

[heelinfine]

6 hours ago, Haplo E said:

Eli has 106 more attempts than Cam, that's the equivalent of 3 games worth of attempts. I'm pretty sure Cam could manage a measly 600 yards in 3 games and some TDs. Fail!

Also have to take in consideration how many minutes Cam has set out in the games he was pulled?

[Silent Majority]

typical bullshit DA argument made by the usual suspects....lol big surprise there.

[FootballMaestro]

One of the biggest reasons (if not the MAIN one) that Cam's stats aren't as much as they could be, is Rivera.

It's that, and the receivers dropping passes (causing INT's and loss of yards and TD's), along with the three bad weather rain games this season.

Any time the Panthers get more than a two TD lead, the offense goes in cruise control mode, rarely throwing it much. This is why the team "rushes more than it passes". It's because, they're perfectly content to mostly run out the clock (no matter how early in the game) when they have sizable leads.

This is what the stats geeks don't see (and why they're wrong). And even articles like this-effectively praising the Panthers, don't note this in their points of arguments. Savvy Panther fans know this clearly!.

You don't have to bring rushing into it to win a Cam Newton MVP argument as well. That's a Cop Out IMO.  He's as good a pure QB's as those other guys this year. It's almost as if you're deferring. Stating: "Hey, but look at his rushing yards" to compensate. Instead, Just mention his loss of yards and TD's, due to dropped passes, poor weather games, and Rivera repeatedly shutting down the offense with 2+ TD leads. That's your real answer.

Just look at Cam last week, compared to R. Wilson demonstrating this. The offense basically shut down after the first half, (really 1st Qtr) with Cam removed by the start 4th Qtr. R. Wilson was in his game deep into the 4th Qtr, piling up meaningless stats against an over matched opponent.....Bingo!

[Moorgan]

27 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

 

You don't have to bring rushing into it to win a Cam Newton MVP argument as well. That's a Cop Out IMO.  He's as good a pure QB's as those other guys this year. It's almost as if you're deferring. Stating: "Hey, but look at his rushing yards" to compensate. Instead, Just mention his loss of yards and TD's, due to dropped passes, poor weather games, and Rivera repeatedly shutting down the offense with 2+ TD leads. That's your real answer.

But you're making it sound like its the best QB award. It isn't. It's the MVP and running most certainly factors into it. It's an integral part not just because of his stats but also the threat of running and the manner in which he does it.

Most "running" QBs are really scrambling QBs. While Cam can scramble, it's the designed power runs that set him apart. Not including all of that simply cowtows to the narrative that QBs should be judged by passing stats alone.

[FootballMaestro]

1 hour ago, Moorgan said:

But you're making it sound like its the best QB award. It isn't. It's the MVP and running most certainly factors into it. It's an integral part not just because of his stats but also the threat of running and the manner in which he does it.

Most "running" QBs are really scrambling QBs. While Cam can scramble, it's the designed power runs that set him apart. Not including all of that simply cowtows to the narrative that QBs should be judged by passing stats alone.

I got you. And I know what you're saying, especially how it pertains to the MVP, Team argument.

Agreed.

However, I said what I said; because they're many folks who don't realize Cam's a Pocket QB (as you noted), having a great passing year; as opposed to a "running QB" compensating in other ways by running. The man is a 100% Pocket passer.

In other words; before we get into his other things (like his running), let's firmly establish his QB, Pocket credentials. And I think he can beat those folks/win an argument (even on their terms) on QB skills-performance alone.That's my point.

Some of those "other guys" don't factor in rushing yards or care (though the threat of the run, certainly opens up the offense, and makes Cam more dangerous to defend-beyond statistics) when discussing a QB BTW; even for MVP. Remember that (though, I got you indeed)!?

[Peppers90 NC]

18 hours ago, MeatSoda said:

that was an orgasmic read

it at least gives you good ammunition if you find yourself having to defend the Cam for MVP with some haters