The Problem With The Last Two Games We've Played

[Proudiddy]

51 minutes ago, top dawg said:

More venting, I see.

The biggest problem for me was the coaching and play calling, hands down. 

The refs were a problem to be sure, but Rivera should have given them hell. This organization, which is largely a reflection of the public face of the owner, needs to stop being so damned genteel and politically correct. Call the motherfugers on their bullshit! You may not think it has an effect, but it does.

I have decided to try as hard as humanly possible to defend our franchise to the fullest in any situation and to not give anyone outside of our culture/fanbase material to criticize us with...  that being said, i do have to agree with you about our handling of these situations as an organization.

That is our motherfuging franchise QB, and we're standing there watching this poo.  I'm all about being classy and sportmanlike, UNTIL you cross that line.  There is something to be admired about the way we carry ourselves.  But, Kill or be killed.  Once they started blatantly trying to injure our QB, it should have beenan eye for an eye.  Call the NFL's bluff.  Make them call it both ways, or further expose them for not calling it our way.  Someone should have tried to take Siemien out.  Then after the gamrle, Rivera should have ripped the officials, fine be damned, and JR be right there ready to pay the fine for him.

I thank JR for giving us this franchise and being such an upstanding man in so many respects.  But the undue respect we've shown them has not been reciprocated to our franchise.  It's like we're the friend they keep calling for favors or money and we keep helping them,  all while they just keep saying "don't worry, i'm good for it.  I'll get it back to you with interest."  Only they never do.

We have been their patsy for too long, expecting our goodwill would put us in their good graces.  Well, that is the one ceoticism i have of our organization.  It's not happening.  We can still be good guys and still one up you in the a-hole department.  It's time to put that policy into action, from top to bottom.  

Our franchise's success and well-being should be the #1 priority.  Over the NFL, over the game, over everything.  I want that shield gone from our field.  I want a Panther in its place (or a giant middle finger with "for you roger" printed over it).

My great grandmother had a saying that i think is very applicable in this situation when it comes to us versus the league...  "you can smile at someone and still tell them to go to hell."

[Zaximus]

1 minute ago, trueblue said:

This game was 17-7 with us getting the ball to open the 2nd..There are no excuses to lose that lead.

The refs did eat a Costco sized bag of dicks... But they were only one of many problems.

1. Play calling in the second half was atrocious. 3 points... 3 fugging points. 

2. The Defense.. The "Bend and Hope for a Turnover" philosophy isn't sustainable.. Got bailed out on sustained Denver drives inside the 30, 3 times. You can't live like that. The D got gashed by Anderson all night long. They had a bad night, I'm sure the individual grades will substantiate that.

3. Killer instinct. The lack of stepping on the throat when the opportunity is there popped up again last night. When you have a chance to go for the kill, 3 points just ain't gonna do it. 

4. Gano- I know a 50 yarder isn't a layup.. But that two straight key kicks he's missed.

The refs were 75% of the issue.  You can't beat the refs AND a good team, just like the Superbowl.  If you sit there and try to tell me having your QB take headshots all game isn't going to interfere, I don't know what to say.  He was on point the first half and then the intense headhunting started.  Every time we started to get momentum, the refs would slow us down, and this is a game of momentum.  

[pstall]

In our rush to find a face to a bad guy we are overlooking probably the biggest puppet master of them all

 

 

 

[Zaximus]

1 minute ago, pstall said:

In our rush to find a face to a bad guy we are overlooking probably the biggest puppet master of them all

 

 

 

Yeah but also advertiser dollars.  If it was 100% vegas than the NFL wouldn't keep bringing back terrible refs, making more muddy rules, and also not punishing said bad refs.

[pstall]

Over unders are easiest to control or influence. Just saying 

[ctrcat]

6 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I have decided to try as hard as himanly possible to defend our franchise to the fullest in any situation and to not give anyone outside of our culture/fanbase material to criticize us with...  that being said, i do have to agree with you about our handling of these situations as an organization.

That is our motherfuging franchise QB, and we're standing there watching this poo.  I'm all about being classy and sportmanlike, UNTIL you cross that line.  There is something to be admired about the way we carry ourselves  Kill or be killed.  Once they started blatantly trying to injure our QB, it should have beenan eye for an eye.  Call the NFL's bluff.  Make them call it both ways, or further expose them for not calling it our way.  Someone should have tried to take Siemien out.  Then after the gamrle, Rivera should have ripped the officials, fine be damned, and JR be right there ready to pay the fine for him.

I thank JR for giving us this franchise and being such an upstanding man in so many respects.  But the undue respect we've shown them has not been reciprocated to our franchise.  It's like we're the friend they keep calling for favors or money and we keep helping them,  all while they just keep saying "don't worry, i'm good for it.  I'll get it back to you with interest."  Only they never do.

We have been their patsy for too long, expecting our goodwill would put us in their good graces.  Well, that is the one ceoticism i have of our organization.  It's not happening.  We can still be good guys and still one up you in the a-hole department.  It's time to put that policy into action, from top to bottom.  

Our franchise's success and well-being should be the #1 priority.  Over the NFL, over the game, over everything.  I want that shield gone from our field.  I want a Panther in its place (or a giant middle finger with "for you roger" printed over it).

My great grandmother had a saying that i think is very applicable in this situation when it comes to us versus the league...  "you can smile at someone and still tell them to go to hell."

Wow what a great post.

What's done is done.  JR Releasing the Kraken and addressing the team that's trying to win him his first ring personally on Monday, saying he's got their back, would go a LONG way with not only the team, but fans with a clue.  Not counting on it though.

[Proudiddy]

25 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I'm not blaming the refs for the loss or saying the result was manipulated.  Yeah, there were some terrible calls... but the headhunting against Cam, that was on a totally different level.  Pure disgust for what I saw and what the refs (esp those in the booth, who could watch the videos) allowed to continue on the field.

 

34 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

It's easy to blame the zebra's, and they screwed up enough last night to rightly blame them, but if you ask the players they will tell you to never leave the outcome up to someone else, to take care of business yourself. 

This team had a terrible time last year of putting teams away(Hawks, Giants, Saints) and they blew another double digit lead last night. Guess it's better to get it out of our system now and get back to what made 2015 such a great season.

 

Both of your posts illustrate my point though...  When you allow one team to do something and play in a way that you don't allow the other to (Multiple helmet hits on Cam followed by taunting versus us being penalized on our first series for Trai celebrating a TD), you are affecting the style of play.  You are removing the physical, testosterone-driven element behind one team and shifting that towards the other.  It's like putting two guys in a boxing ring but tying one's hands behind their back.  They're still in the fight, but they're fighting a lot different than they would with the use of two hands.  They're on their heels.

And in my mind, that isn't happenstance, as many times as we've seen it now, (think back to the Niners playoff game, where Bolding was headbutting dudes and we get called for an unsportsmanlike on the first series for talking trash after a play) that is by design.  You take the physical element away from a team in a game of physicality and you're doing it knowing the effect it has.

 

[Proudiddy]

 

22 minutes ago, trueblue said:

This game was 17-7 with us getting the ball to open the 2nd..There are no excuses to lose that lead.

The refs did eat a Costco sized bag of dicks... But they were only one of many problems.

1. Play calling in the second half was atrocious. 3 points... 3 fugging points. 

2. The Defense.. The "Bend and Hope for a Turnover" philosophy isn't sustainable.. Got bailed out on sustained Denver drives inside the 30, 3 times. You can't live like that. The D got gashed by Anderson all night long. They had a bad night, I'm sure the individual grades will substantiate that.

3. Killer instinct. The lack of stepping on the throat when the opportunity is there popped up again last night. When you have a chance to go for the kill, 3 points just ain't gonna do it. 

4. Gano- I know a 50 yarder isn't a layup.. But that two straight key kicks he's missed.

See below.

19 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

The refs were 75% of the issue.  You can't beat the refs AND a good team, just like the Superbowl.  If you sit there and try to tell me having your QB take headshots all game isn't going to interfere, I don't know what to say.  He was on point the first half and then the intense headhunting started.  Every time we started to get momentum, the refs would slow us down, and this is a game of momentum.  

This.

While I agree with some of your points, trueblue, the refs controlled the style of play from the outset.  And as Zax said, you can't beat refs and a "good" team.  That was a lot to overcome.  The only reason we had the lead at the half was because we ate up the entire 2nd quarter.  I knew if we didn't score on that opening possession we most likely were going to lose because of the poo that was going to go down.  But, the biggest reason I'm still talking about it is becasue of the degree the refs went to in order to achieve their goal.  We literally watched multiple crimes take place on that field last night, with our franchise QB being the victim, and they ALLOWED IT.  I almost feel like I have some sort of PTSD from watching it.  Like I just witnessed a man being beaten with a rock in broad daylight, and the cops are standing next to him watching it.  It is both insulting and disturbing.

[UpstatePanther]

4 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

What I do know is, from now on, if it doesn't affect my team, and it's an NFL related event, I'm not supporting it.  If we're not "playing" in the playoffs or Superbowl, I couldn't care less and won't be interested in Goodell's scripted soap opera.

Torally agree on this point. I won't feel like watching very soon myself. At this point, I still love the game too much not to watch. But it's wearing on me very quickly.

I dont agree with the NFL's politics, but they are a private business and can advocate whatever they want. I don't watch NFL football to see what players, coaches, and league officials believe politically. I bring this up because lately I've been hearing arguments from those who hold politically similar beliefs to my own asking what it would take to stop watching games for good. The only thing that would stop that for me is if they ruined the game. Not one match, but the game of football. The NFL is quickly getting to a point where there is less left to talent and hard work, where outcomes are increasingly decided by referee calls or no-calls. The trend really needs to stop, or they will ruin the game. 

[Kuhndog94]

I'm switching to Hockey.

[Seamonk]

Refs have been bad for years and have gotten worse with more replay assistance. They've gotten lazy and rely too much on the fact that replay can help them out if they get it wrong and it affects their calls. Like how they will call something a touchdown because all touchdowns get reviewed (same thing with turnovers now) but then you have poo like "Play Stands" vs. "Play Confirmed". Their calls have an obvious lean on them just so they can use the replay assistance as a crutch and overall their ability to make consistent calls is hugely diminished. It's legit like how I used to be good at mental math and suck dick at it now because I rely on my calculator too much. 

What's the most absurd is when they have these 'areas of emphasis' and they go on a tirade enforcing those but then forget about all the bullshit areas of emphasis they've had in the past such as illegal hits. It's horribly inconsistent. Some of it stems from some of these refs being former lawyers, etc, and when they start 'interpreting' a rule book like the law, it gets stupid. You shouldn't be debating semantics of a rule in a football game (I'm looking at you 'football move'). It's a joke. And don't even get me started on people who say it's the refs first game too. Miss 1 call? Ok. But miss FOUR? 

[PleaseGetReal]

So this is where the crazy people are hanging out?  

You can't rationally believe the NFL is a game-fixing conspiracy machine, while simultaneous asking your owner to stand up to it.  Any conspiracy would have to have the full involvement of the owners.  The owners are the NFL, not Goodell.  If you actually believe the NFL is fixing games, JR is 1/32 of the problem.  

If you think Vegas is fixing the games, then you don't understand that sports books make money from people betting on games, not on the actual outcome of the game.  They change the lines to encourage the betting to yield a profit regardless of who wins.  

And I know the answer is only going to make me feel worse about the state of humanity, but I just need to know.  If last year's "fix" was the Peyton Manning sendoff, what would be the motivation for fixing a Broncos win last night, seeing that Peyton is gone?  Wouldn't there be more drama in the Redemption of Cam Newton?  Seriously, what does the NFL gain by fixing the game for a 7th round nobody who will be replaced in a year or two unless he literally plays at a Hall of Fame level?