Vernon Bulter vs Hunter Henry

[uncfan888]

Every single day it's the same poo over and over...  I wish Jerry would just make one of us GM so we'd never have to hear complaints again

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

gets back into the whole double trouble debacle.  You end up with talented investments spending too much time watching football play.  Rest they don't need.  You don't waste first round picks on depth.  

Same goes for Shaq.  would have rather have drafted at a position where would could of maximized hitting on talent 

Double trouble is a bad example.

During their entire tenure together they were on the field at the same time less than 5%. You can play Butler/Star or Butler/KK at the same time.

Another reason double trouble was a bad investment was due to that fact that by 2009 the NFL was a passing league. The panthers had two 1100 rushers and missed the playoffs.

[frash.exe]

 

[CRA]

33 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Yeah, let's use ancient history to dog a very solid, and rising player. Drafting Stewy, although a great player for us, was stupid. Also, that was Hurndog, not Gman. We haven't seen Gman enough to have a solid grasp on what his philosophy actually is.

 

Butler helps keep our Dline fresh. He is a much better pick for what this team wants to do. He gives us flexibility, and we lose very little, if anything, when he is in the line-up.

 

With how things have gone the last few years, bringing in a top flight LT was a pipe dream. Now, if things go as they appear to be heading. We could have a decent pick, and plenty of money. IF they don't address the LT this off-season, then I will start to harp on the FO.

 

We didn't have a high enough pick, nor any money. Yet folks think we should have still found a way to upgrade the LT spot.

History is important in life.  

We have seen Gman the past two drafts use our first round picks on guys to backup our two strongest starting positions on D. 

Again, you start investing and having your talent watching games....your team will feel the impact of it as other spots on your starting unit begin to get filled at Walmart.  Guys on the sideline don't help compensate that much. 

Could of upgraded RT, S, DE, a host of spots the last two years in the draft that were of need.  Putting those off to invest in depth just makes your holes grow.  This offseason should be a C offseason but we are behind the right eightball

[TheSpecialJuan]

Gman made the Butler pick for next year when KK departs as a free agent. Yes, Henry is having a nice season but he wasn't even a 1st round pick. We would have "reached" to get him.

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

Double trouble is a bad example.

During their entire tenure together they were on the field at the same time less than 5%. You can play Butler/Star or Butler/KK at the same time.

Another reason double trouble was a bad investment was due to that fact that by 2009 the NFL was a passing league. The panthers had two 1100 rushers and missed the playoffs.

Example isn't apples to apples but the principle of it applies.

if you have Warren Sapp you don't need to spend money of finding his clone for when he is rested.  You spend money on someone to compliment Sapp and play the majority of the downs with him. 

Your big investments should be on guys who start and impact the most....not provide rest 

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Example isn't apples to apples but the principle of it applies.

if you have Warren Sapp you don't need to spend money of finding his clone for when he is rested.  You spend money on someone to compliment Sapp and play the majority of the downs with him. 

Your big investments should be on guys who start and impact the most....not provide rest 

What if Green Bay picked up a Pass rusher who was ready to contribute instead of a backup/future QB/aaron rodgers?

The panthers defense last year had a lot of breakdowns in the 4th when the d-line was tired. Doesn't it make sense to add another talented DT to rotate in throughout the game?

Chess not Checkers.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

What if Green Bay picked up a Pass rusher who was ready to contribute instead of a backup/future QB/aaron rodgers?

The panthers defense last year had a lot of breakdowns in the 4th when the d-line was tired. Doesn't it make sense to add another talented DT to rotate in throughout the game?

Chess not Checkers.

Rodgers was still drafted in the era when just about all teams ideal method of drafting a QB was to draft and stud and develop him.....then play him. 

and it worked 

last year the only legit play we were getting in games was from the DT spot.  People just kept looking for that spot to comically produce all game.  DE play was nonexistent in 2015.  DTs had virtually no help.

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

last year the only legit play we were getting in games was from the DT spot.  People just kept looking for that spot to comically produce all game.  DE play was nonexistent in 2015.  DTs had virtually no help.

Why would adding another DT hurt if he is the best player on your draft board?

Taking a player just for a need is how you end up with Fua, McClain & Clausen. 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

Why would adding another DT hurt if he is the best player on your draft board?

Taking a player just for a need is how you end up with Fua, McClain & Clausen. 

GMs have bias and preferences towards certain positions and types.  There is no verified board.  Every board is molded differently.  BPA simply is coach speak for the most part.  How many boards have Funchess as BPA where he was drafted? My guess is one and that is all that mattered for Fun Fun

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

GMs have bias and preferences towards certain positions and types.  There is no verified board.  Every board is molded differently.  BPA simply is coach speak for the most part.  How many boards have Funchess as BPA where he was drafted? My guess is one and that is all that mattered for Fun Fun

Only 1 draft board matter in Carolina that's my point. The what if's and speculation does no good now. Gettleman, Rivera & the scouts came to the conclusion that Vernon was the best pick for the team whether right or wrong.

[Growl]

There's a reason why Linebackers constantly have the best "value." They aren't as highly coveted.

At some point you have to put your scouting prowess to the ground and take a player at an important position who may not be on Mel Kiper's Top 5 Players by position list.  You can't just pick the gimmes every year.

[Growl]

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[Growl]

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