Valuable position in the league

[The_Rainmaker]

You know if Bill Belichick extend a certain position it must be mighty important to winning. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000748564/article/marcus-cannon-patriots-reach-5year-extension

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While the Patriots have garnered a cruel reputation for cutting or trading players who are about to receive a big payday, they are also excellent at rewarding their own loyal role players.

The latest example: The team and tackle Marcus Cannon agreed to a five-year deal worth $32.5 million, including $14.5 million in guarantees, a source told NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport.

Cannon, 28, was a fifth-round pick by the club back in 2011.

While dominant offensive line play is not commonly associated with the Patriots and their quick-passing offense, Cannon helps make up arguably one of the best tackle tandems in football. Alongside Nate Solder, the pair has been pretty exceptional in 2016 -- and sturdy. Cannon has started all 10 of the team's games this season and rose from swing tackle to lineup regular.

The deal could spell the end for Sebastian Vollmer, the 32-year-old former second-round pick who missed this season with a hip injury. Vollmer is a free agent after this season.

Cannon, meanwhile, goes as offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia goes. When the veteran instructor returned to New England this season, so did dominant play from the 6-5, 360-pound tackle. Keeping Tom Brady upright is a serious task in New England, so when the Patriots invest in an offensive lineman long-term, they most certainly mean it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[t96]

You are very simple.

[Saca312]

Oher extension, anyone?

I faintly remember a 15-1 team with a healthy o-line in the top 5.

In fact, one main argument before the superbowl was how we had a superior oline, Cam was being protected, and how the Broncos had no way of breaking that.

Of course, Von Miller has something to say to teams like that, and our offensive scheming played right into that defense's hands, like every other team that went against that vaunted defense.

But the season opener was a different story.

In fact, that "vaunted defense" was held out to barely anything; Miller was an afterthought until the fourth quarter, and cheap shots were really the issue that game.

Strangely enough, we started to slightly regress when Oher was out against the vikings week 3, and injuries piled on and on, leading to the terrible oline we see today.

So, is our starting oline, heck even with Remmers, that bad? 

With Williams  great play, imagine him and Oher both starting. Would we still have a top 5 oline?

[The_Rainmaker]

25 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Oher extension, anyone?

I faintly remember a 15-1 team with a healthy o-line in the top 5.

In fact, one main argument before the superbowl was how we had a superior oline, Cam was being protected, and how the Broncos had no way of breaking that.

Of course, Von Miller has something to say to teams like that, and our offensive scheming played right into that defense's hands, like every other team that went against that vaunted defense.

But the season opener was a different story.

In fact, that "vaunted defense" was held out to barely anything; Miller was an afterthought until the fourth quarter, and cheap shots were really the issue that game.

Strangely enough, we started to slightly regress when Oher was out against the vikings week 3, and injuries piled on and on, leading to the terrible oline we see today.

So, is our starting oline, heck even with Remmers, that bad? 

With Williams  great play, imagine him and Oher both starting. Would we still have a top 5 oline?

B.S.  the interior was Top 5, but the Tackles where/have been JAG or below. Also #2 WR is underperforming. 

[uncfan888]

49 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

You are very simple.

Simple isn't even the word for him.... 

[Saca312]

24 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

B.S.  the interior was Top 5, but the Tackles where/have been JAG or below. Also #2 WR is underperforming. 

You make football sound like Madden.

I guess Dallas' corners should be garbage this year as well, as well as Jay Ajayi, and a bunch of other players who came out of nowhere.

Oh, but what Madden can't do, real life can. It's called improvement, and making oneself better.

Bet Madden didn't even consider Brady anywhere good his rookie season, being a third string QB. 

That changed quickly.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

Oher extension, anyone?

I faintly remember a 15-1 team with a healthy o-line in the top 5.

In fact, one main argument before the superbowl was how we had a superior oline, Cam was being protected, and how the Broncos had no way of breaking that.

Of course, Von Miller has something to say to teams like that, and our offensive scheming played right into that defense's hands, like every other team that went against that vaunted defense.

But the season opener was a different story.

In fact, that "vaunted defense" was held out to barely anything; Miller was an afterthought until the fourth quarter, and cheap shots were really the issue that game.

Strangely enough, we started to slightly regress when Oher was out against the vikings week 3, and injuries piled on and on, leading to the terrible oline we see today.

So, is our starting oline, heck even with Remmers, that bad? 

With Williams  great play, imagine him and Oher both starting. Would we still have a top 5 oline?

Oher is done. Expect him to retire in the off-season. 

[Saca312]

2 minutes ago, Snake said:

Oher is done. Expect him to retire in the off-season. 

That's what I'm expecting.

No one expected him to have a career ending concussion.

My argument was how Dave Gettleman tried to keep a player that looked like he was improving, and looking good on the offensive line scheme.

[The_Rainmaker]

32 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

You make football sound like Madden.

I guess Dallas' corners should be garbage this year as well, as well as Jay Ajayi, and a bunch of other players who came out of nowhere.

Oh, but what Madden can't do, real life can. It's called improvement, and making oneself better.

Bet Madden didn't even consider Brady anywhere good his rookie season, being a third string QB. 

That changed quickly.

Uh Just Great, next time bring some substance. I already proved multiple times  that Tackles have bee sup bar since 2014 & 2013 the interior was terrible. OL has been holding this team back at the most important stage constantly. 

P.S. its simple you invest in areas that you need to  improve. Dallas drafted their OL, Raiders did a combination of draft / Top tier FA. The fact is Dave Gettelman has ignored this area and it cost us important games. 

Raiders FA aquistition RG-Osemele RT-Howard & LT Donal Penn

Drafted- OG Jackson 

2013 - Amini / Wharton - Goalline stand against 49rs 

2014 - Bell & Chandler = Loss to Settle in playoff

2015- Oher & Remmers = Loss to Denver x2 

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Great argument, next time bring some substance. I already proved multiple times  that Tackles have bee sup bar since 2014 & 2013 the interior was terrible. OL has been holding this team back at the most important stage constantly. 

2013 - Amini / Wharton - Goalline stand against 49rs 

2014 - Bell & Chandler = Loss to Settle in NFC championship

2015- Oher & Remmers = Loss to Denver x2 

First off, that was the NFC Divisional for Seattle, not Championship

Already proving to be a 14 year old bandwagon.

Oher and Remmers lead a team that went 15-1 last season, with a good season record the year prior.

Von Miller is an elite pass rusher, going against a tackle on his own. NO tackle would be able to be perfect against Miller without some sort of help.

And if you really think o-line alone lead to those loses, then you obviously never watched the Panthers prior to the 2015 run.

[The_Rainmaker]

5 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

First off, that was the NFC Divisional for Seattle, not Championship

Already proving to be a 14 year old bandwagon.

Oher and Remmers lead a team that went 15-1 last season, with a good season record the year prior.

Von Miller is an elite pass rusher, going against a tackle on his own. NO tackle would be able to be perfect against Miller without some sort of help.

And if you really think o-line alone lead to those loses, then you obviously never watched the Panthers prior to the 2015 run.

Who cares about typo , the fact is we still lost to Seattle due to OL play. 

Oher & Remmers had the league highest max protection, and they got exposed by  Beasley & Von that continued all the way to now. 

Last time Panther had  overall good OL was when Oath was opposite of Gross.

 

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Who cares about typo , the fact is we still lost to seattle due OL play. 

Oher & Remmers had the league highest max protection, and they got exposed by  Beasley & Von that contnued all the way to now. 

Last time Panther had  overall good OL was when we had Oath*

*Otah. Typos coming in real fast.

Ouch, bringing up Otah doesn't look good. He was an absolutely pointless take for his value. I mean, it makes Gettleman's Butler pick look way better for his value and meaning for the team.

Sure, he was good, but he really wasn't consistent for long. Those 3 picks could've easily been used for other quality options.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/201161/panthers-gave-up-way-too-much-for-tackle-jeff-otah-in-2008

[The_Rainmaker]

9 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

*Otah. Typos coming in real fast.

Ouch, bringing up Otah doesn't look good. He was an absolutely pointless take for his value. I mean, it makes Gettleman's Butler pick look way better for his value and meaning for the team.

Sure, he was good, but he really wasn't consistent for long. Those 3 picks could've easily been used for other quality options.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/201161/panthers-gave-up-way-too-much-for-tackle-jeff-otah-in-2008

Injury ruined his career, but the point was you have to invest in premium talent to have a consistent offense. Just look at what Dallas/Oakland are  doing. 

Incase people forgot Carolina is a run first team and just like defenses is predicated on front 7 to help the so called zone corners , the offense can't work without the running game. 

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2009 season

In Week 16 of the 2009 NFL Season, Stewart, starting for the injured Williams, recorded a team record 206 rushing yards in a 41-9 rout of the Giants in their final game at Giants Stadium, and earned FedEx Ground Player of the week honors. The performance lifted him over the 1,000 yard mark, making him and DeAngelo WIlliams only the 6th rushing duo in NFL history to rush for 1,000 yards in a single season. He later surpassed the 1,100 yard mark, making him and Williams the first rushing duo in NFL History to rush for 1,100 yards apiece. Stewart finished the season with 1,133 yards and 10 touchdowns on 221 carries, slightly outperforming Williams in both categories.

 

[Saca312]

6 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Injury ruined his career, but the point was you have to invest in premium talent to have a consistent offense. Just look at what Dallas/Oakland are  doing. 

Incase people forgot Carolina is a run first team and just like defenses is predicated on front 7 to help the so called zone corners , the offense can't work without the running game. 

 

So, 3 draft picks given up for him, when you could've kept those, and likely have picked Brandon Albert in the 13th, and a quality rb in the second (such as Jamaal Charles, Ray Allen)

Sure, I love me some Stewart, but gotta think value in drafts.