Collapse of the running game has exposed Cam's weaknesses as a passer

[TheMostInterestingMan]

OP is catching a lot of flack for his post. And I'm not at all surprised. Thing is, there is some truth to it as well. 

Dobt get me wrong, Cam is my absolute favorite player in the NFL. However, just as the majority of the fans here complain about Cam not having enough help, Shula, etc. I am growing tired of everyone omitting Cam for any fault. 

Truth be told, Cam deserves some of the blame for our offense too. Does his line suck this year? Yes. Does his running game exist? Not really. But the truth is, Cam has struggled with decision making and poor intermediate throws at times this season. As a fan, it's okay to admit that. It doesn't make Cam a bad player. It doesn't mean he's not the most dangerous athlete in the NFL. 

But if we are being honest with ourselves, we should be able to admit he has flaws, specifically in the areas the OP pointed out. It has been an issue throughout his career. 

How many times have we seen Cam sail a wide open WR on a slant route in his career? He misses more than he should and it's almost always missing high. That aspect of his game still hasn't improved very much to be honest. And those short throws could really help mask our running game deficiencies.

There is no other QB I would rather have in the entire NFL. Cam Newton is rightfully the reigning MVP after one of the most incredible seasons in history last season. But let's be honest. OP makes a valid point. You can't just discredit that.

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

The short passes have always been iffy.

Even with all the factors in play, we still could have at least 3-4 more wins right now if we closed out those close games.

All I'm saying is, reducing this to a Cam Newton discussion, or a Dave Gettleman discussion, or a Ron Rivera discussion, or whoever you want to blame, is pointless. Ultimately it's been a collective hatchet job this year. The cold hard truth is this franchise hasn't had back to back winning seasons yet. As much as things have changed they've stayed the same. Sooner or later something has to give.

But ranting about random stuff lime nickelodeon shows really looks petty, and erodes away at the legitimacy of your discussion.

We could have had 3-4 fewer wins last year if one or two plays don't go our way. The margin for success is very thin in the NFL. The best thing to do is put yourself in positions where a ball bouncing one way or another isn't going to crush you, and the Panthers didn't do that this year. But pining about this and that I don't think is very productive. 

I said numerous times, both in the original post of this thread, and all over this board, that the regression of the offense is not just one thing. However, this thread is about ONE of the things. 

I wouldn't call one sentence in a paper brick ranting. I do think Cam needs to work harder this offseason than he ever has, and maybe actually care about optics for once in his career. 

like i don't mean to sound like an old guy but you can only dress like this when you're playing well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzbvxtsVIAA5hc9.jpg:large

[truthjuice]

The outfit is ugly but what does have to do with on the field play?? This thread in its entirety is s reach. 

[electro's horse]

4 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

One game all season when cam isn't getting smacked around is supposed to justify ur post? 

Carolina gave up 33 sacks last year in the regular season, and have given up 27 this year with 3 games left. 

Sacks aren't that different. 

[electro's horse]

Just now, truthjuice said:

The outfit is ugly but what does have to do with on the field play?? This thread in its entirety is s reach. 

an attempt at levity 

[motocross_cat]

He is not getting into his flow at all.  I dont know if its that he is pressing, the line, no running game, play calling or what.  I think the outside noise and the pressure is making him play tight.  Its not his work ethic IMO.

[Kevin Greene]

I remember back in July Cam talking about improving this exact part of his game Fiz is talking about, at the behest of JR himself.

Quote

SPARTANBURG 

Cam Newton is the reigning MVP and was voted the league’s top player by his peers in an NFL Network poll.

But the Carolina Panthers’ sixth-year quarterback still has things he can improve on.

Just ask his employer.

Newton said Jerry Richardson has implored the strong-armed quarterback to improve his accuracy on some of the shorter throws that defenses often concede. Newton started to refer to the team’s owner and founder as “Coach Richardson” on Friday before correcting himself.

“As Mr. Richardson says, the layups. The gimme throws,” Newton said. “I always ask for brutal honesty from the superior forces that are in my life, from coach (Ron) Rivera to Mr. Richardson to Mr. (Dave) Gettleman and from my father.

“You hear it often: Yeah, you can throw the comebacks and the digs. But what about the checkdowns and slants and just getting back to the small nuances of the game? That makes big differences.”

 

Cam along with hopefully an improved Offensive Coaching staff needs to try again this offseason.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article92633402.html

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

We could have had 3-4 fewer wins last year if one or two plays don't go our way. The margin for success is very thin in the NFL. The best thing to do is put yourself in positions where a ball bouncing one way or another isn't going to crush you, and the Panthers didn't do that this year. But pining about this and that I don't think is very productive. 

I said numerous times, both in the original post of this thread, and all over this board, that the regression of the offense is not just one thing. However, this thread is about ONE of the things. 

I wouldn't call one sentence in a paper brick ranting. I do think Cam needs to work harder this offseason than he ever has, and maybe actually care about optics for once in his career. 

like i don't mean to sound like an old guy but you can only dress like this when you're playing well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzbvxtsVIAA5hc9.jpg:large

I get what you're saying, and I agree.

But then you conclude all that with a dig about ...post game attire? Last I checked, what a football player decided to wear never affected the outcome of a game, good or bad. You can't expect rational discourse when you're injecting things like that into the conversation that have absolutely nothing to do with winning or losing games.

[electro's horse]

 

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

I get what you're saying, and I agree.

But then you conclude all that with a dig about ...post game attire? Last I checked, what a football player decided to wear never affected the outcome of a game, good or bad. You can't expect rational discourse when you're injecting things like that into the conversation that have absolutely nothing to do with winning or losing games.

that was a joke, but to be fair what cam wore negatively effected the outcome of a game just last week. 

[pstall]

17 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

May I ask where you got this thinking from?

I know more power brokers in sports than the avg bear.

 

[dcpanther89]

Give any other NFL QB our current line and OC and they will be thankful for what they have.


Sent from my iPhone using CarolinaHuddle

[The Lobo]

4 minutes ago, pstall said:

I know more power brokers in sports than the avg bear.

 

You will have to forgive me, I'm not being a smart ass, but is this legit?

[Jangler]

17 minutes ago, bull123 said:

i just did go back and I now see that you are the moron that started this thread

Cam is our franchise leader & I wouldn't have anyone else running our offense

Me either. And I'm sure most don't want any other QB. But I want my franchise MVP running less over time. and the short game will extend Cam's career and get the Superbowl wins we all want. Shula is betting on Cam legs, and that's a bad bet no matter the QB.

[dcpanther89]

I'm honestly tired of the blame Cam game. Before blaming him the make shift O line, the WR core, the running game, etc. Blame Shula for literally running the same offense 3 years straight. I understand we went to 3 straight playoff appearances but remember what they were saying after the super bowl. Telling the media that we added no new wrinkles to our game plan to throw them off it's either because he's that full of himself that he thought since it works all year almost why change it up now or he's retarded. The fact of the matter is the broncos were the only team that year that had a whole 2 weeks to game plan specifically for us and it was not hard you win that many games you do a lot of the same things. Adapting to flaws on a week to week basis makes things easier but for some coaches it's uncomfortable or they are pure assholes that it can only be their way. This year we came out doing the same poo on offense I can tell how we are lined up if it's a design run for Cam, if it's a read option, if it's a sweep to Ginn, etc. This offense is too predictable beyond repair. We need a new OC like we needed to draft a LT 6 years ago. IJS


Sent from my iPhone using CarolinaHuddle