Panthers Have Tendered Andrew Norwell, Tyler Larsen and Michael Palardy

[TheSpecialJuan]

Yes

[KDawg004]

Norwell is a very good player. But we need to come to terms that chances are we are going to have to choose between him or Turner if they're requesting around the same money. Probably can't have both on big contracts without hurting the cap.

I'm ok with that because OGs are easier to come by than OTs. I have no doubt we'll find a suitable replacement. And if we ever find a franchise LT, we are going to need that money.

[Ace_Aladdin]

1 hour ago, AppHeel said:

Norwell is really good and I'm all in favor of extending him, but for people that think he and Turner are going to be extended on the same pay scale need to chiiilllllll. We can extend Norwell for much cheaper and IF he is demanding what Turner will and should demand, then @Bronn is right, we can find someone else.

That being said, great move by Gettleman to lock him up for this season at a cheap price tag and high cost to other teams.

You must not remember the days we had Chandler, Amini, & Wharton these guys stopped us from winning the 49rs playoff game with multiple goal-line situation where they got stonewalled and left  14 pts of the board.

When you identity is defense and running the ball 50% of the time your gonna need elite interior to win in the playoffs.

Either you pay for the interior or  you pay franchise tackles which we don't have or value as much.

 

 

[AppHeel]

15 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

You must not remember the days we had Chandler, Amini, & Wharton these guys stopped us from winning the 49rs playoff game with multiple goal-line situation where they got stonewalled and left  14 pts of the board.

When you identity is defense and running the ball 50% of the time your gonna need elite interior to win in the playoffs.

Either you pay for the interior or  you pay franchise tackles which we don't have or value as much.

 

 

No i remember them just fine, but I'm not going to break the bank for Norwell who ultimately we found and developed as an undrafted guard.

Don't misunderstand me though, I want to extend Norwell to a multi year deal because I think he's important to the continuity of the line. However, we know Trai is going to demand top market $$ at the guard position and we 100% need to pay him, but we shouldn't pay Norwell at the same price scale.

IMO Norwell should warrant anywhere between $5-6.5 Mil per season and that would put him right in that 13-20 range as far as guards are concerned. I think that's pretty fair value. 

All this being hypothetical, because again, I want to extend Norwell, but we have too much young talent to take care of going forward to break bank on him. He is someone that we could replace through the draft I think if we had to.

[Ace_Aladdin]

8 minutes ago, AppHeel said:

No i remember them just fine, but I'm not going to break the bank for Norwell who ultimately we found and developed as an undrafted guard.

Don't misunderstand me though, I want to extend Norwell to a multi year deal because I think he's important to the continuity of the line. However, we know Trai is going to demand top market $$ at the guard position and we 100% need to pay him, but we shouldn't pay Norwell at the same price scale.

IMO Norwell should warrant anywhere between $5-6.5 Mil per season and that would put him right in that 13-20 range as far as guards are concerned. I think that's pretty fair value. 

All this being hypothetical, because again, I want to extend Norwell, but we have too much young talent to take care of going forward to break bank on him. He is someone that we could replace through the draft I think if we had to.

Panthers value the Interior and since are not paying a franchise LT then we are going to pay the Interior.

He is a top 10 Guard and will be top 5 end of the season if he has competent LT.

 

Quote

Offense: Andrew Norwell, 85.1

 

Norwell, who will become a restricted free agent this offseason, turned in yet another impressive outing. In addition to Saturday’s performance, the third-year hog molly has received praise throughout the season from PFF, ranking 11th amongst all NFL guards coming into Week 15.

He’s also joined by fellow guard and fellow soon-to-be free agent Trai Turner, the Panthers’ second-best offensive player on the day (81.2). Rounding out the top-five for Carolina was left tackle Mike Remmers (80.3), wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin (74.5) and running back Fozzy Whittaker (71.9)

Quarterback Cam Newton, despite solid grades by three of his linemen, chalked himself up a nasty 37.5 mark. The reigning MVP completed just 18-of-43 throws for 198 yards and one touchdown with a pair of interceptions. As noted by Jordan Plocher of PFF, Newton folded in 14 plays under pressure, notching a 0.0 NFL QB rating in such instances.

 

[Fox007]

1 hour ago, Nails said:

Hypothetical-the aggressive, desperate, OL needy Vikings give up 48 for him.  We trade 40 and 48 to the Titans at 18 for Ramczyk, the top LT in the draft, our new franchise LT for 5 years on a rookie salary.

I'd take that over paying Norwell and drafting at 40.

I like Bolles as well there but unless Gman is smoke screening(and we have no reason to believe he is if the past OL talk is any indication) he doesn't like this OT group....and for good reason....they both only have 1 year of FBS starting experience.

I don't think The Vikings would be that team though since they don't have a 1st I can't see them trading their 2nd by yalls own logic that they could "easily" get a cheaper/better player there than Norwell and would need to with no 1st.

The 20, 23, 26, 29 range is where those guys(and Robinson) are looking to go though based on those teams so it'd need to be around there and with one of those teams. We could get it for cheaper than two two's if it's Bolles a little later.

Bolles is older but Ryan had the hip surgery and Bolles slayed the combine for OL and Ryan didn't do most of the drills. Neither is a sure fire Franchise LT and neither is Robinson....if they were they'd be top 5 picks....that's why they are going in the late teens to 20s.

[Bronn]

1 minute ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

You're an idiot and you just showed everyone probably shouldn't post again Norwell is very good, very good

You show people this every time you start a thread so coming from you this holds absolutely zero water.

[Fox007]

9 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

You're calling Norwell a JAG, just another guy, and anyone that watches football closely knows that isn't the case.

You don't even have to watch closely. Norwell pops off the screen in games and is literally a top 10 guard.

[Bronn]

12 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

My threads are great ideas, what, am I dumb because I wanted an All-Pro DE back in Hardy ?

Because I want the most freakish DE in the draft at 8 ? 

Cause Berry fit the bill perfectly to be a Panther then Bill Voth uses same wording as me in a Berry article ? "Mantra" and "Embodiment"

You're calling Norwell a JAG, just another guy, and anyone that watches football closely knows that isn't the case.

We have to sign both Norwell and Turner long term, Norwell is arguably better than Turner if anything and Turner is great so that's saying something

I've never called him a JAG. I've said we could do better, and that he's better suited as a rotational/spot starter.

1 minute ago, Fox007 said:

You don't even have to watch closely. Norwell pops off the screen in games and is literally a top 10 guard.

See my bushel of bad apples analogy.

What you all are reading and interpreting aren't what is being said. You're super high on Norwell because he is familiar.

We could take a teams second round pick, get even more help in areas we need it more than Guard, and then draft Pat Elflein or Dorian Johnson in the third or later. Both could come in and be better than Norwell from the beginning IMHO.

[Fox007]

24 minutes ago, Bronn said:

You're super high on Norwell because he is familiar.
 

I'm not super high on him because he is familiar. That's like saying Cam is a top 10 QB because we are familiar. I mean I'm not SUPER high on him anyhow.

Is Cam a top 10 QB? yup

Is Norwell a top 10 G? yup

It's just that simple....your analogy fails because the PFF rankings is on an individual basis and they grade everyone in the NFL with the same system. And crappy other OL players don't help him push people into the backfield. When looking at a trench player, unless Double Teams are involved, you just look at them and how they handle their man.

PFF is not gospel but it's something more than non scout opinion.

Norwell, Kalil, Turner are all good and our struggles have been at both T positions.

If we got a pick for Norwell I'd take Elflein, I might take him anyway. I'd like Pocic too.
I want all the picks this draft, it's a good one.

Getting extra pick(s) to just reuse them to replace pro bowl-ish former players isn't coming out ahead especially when we have money now.

We need picks to fill holes, not to replace more holes we make that weren't there before and those new holes just so happen to be great holes who can play.

[Bronn]

2 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

If we got a pick for Norwell I'd take Elflein, I might take him anyway.

You're getting better, and closer to seeing the light.

Look, last I checked the poll, it was 50 yes 0 no to extending Norwell. I'm one of them. I really really like the big ugly, but I just think people (including PFF) are overvaluing Norwell as far as the big picture is concerned.

Pocic, Elflein, Johnson, etc. are later round guys that I think can come in and do what Norwell does, and it would cost a fraction of what we've now offered him, and peanuts compared to what some of you say you want to pay the man.

I'd love to lock Andrew up for 5 years but, again, I'm not going to pay him more than $25 million over that span right now.

If he earns some Pro-Bowls, or All Pro statuses down the road, his value will go up. But, like DBs, I think there are some really good OL prospects in this years draft, and it is pretty damned deep in Guards and guys that will convert to Guards in the NFL. Also, there are undervalued guys out there set to hit the market that I think can come in here and earn a job. We also have guys we brought back or will bring back that have familiarity with what we do.

But to act like we are gonna give Norwell Turner type money now is just insane, and so far from what Gettleman does it is ridiculous to even discuss at this point.

[Fox007]

3 minutes ago, Bronn said:

You're getting better, and closer to seeing the light.
 

I've posted about Pat in other threads....and Pocic.

[Fox007]

I mean I've never said break the bank for both Gs.

You pay your Ts more most of the time and C should get more too if he's like Kalil.

But people were acting or insinuating that he was overpaid or something. We will not regret anything up to 6 a year and yup I said it.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/guard/

6 mil is in the 15 range and Turner will get more. Not lose a day of sleep on a 6mil/yr Norwell contract.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Yay