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Will the Panthers receive punishment for alternative facts?

Cookie Lyon

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panthers55 Grand Master

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There is no guarantee that the injury occurred at the time of the MRI or not since he played after that. It could have happened later. Secondly, . A  small tear that doesn't require surgery would be reported  as no injury to avoid tipping off other teams that your quarterback is hurt for fear that opponents would target the injury to make it worse and they wouldn't fear his dep ball and crowd the box. Since the injury doesn't require surgery and it didn't stop,Cam from playing why would you report it. Do you think we report every turned ankle, turf toe injury unless it causes a player to be in doubt to play or miss a game. And small partial tears are treated non surgically and don't limit you unless the pain worsens signifying the tear is getting larger at which time you shut him down. You do,surgery if it worsens or doesn't respond to nonsurgical treatment options. That is why you are hearing about it now. They have tried the nonsurgical methods like medication, physical therapy etc and they haven't fixed the problem so they had to pursue surgery so he can recover in time for training camp. How long he is gone depends on what they actually find when they go in there. You conspiracy theorists are ridiculous. Every knew he was hurt. The extent is the only issue. They felt he could play which he did and that  it would be okay and heal Nonsurgically.now that it hasn't they go to plan B.

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There is no guarantee that the injury occurred at the time of the MRI or not since he played after that. It could have happened later. Secondly, . A  small tear that doesn't require surgery would be reported  as no injury to avoid tipping off other teams that your quarterback is hurt for fear that opponents would target the injury to make it worse and they wouldn't fear his dep ball and crowd the box. Since the injury doesn't require surgery and it didn't stop,Cam from playing why would you report it. Do you think we report every turned ankle, turf toe injury unless it causes a player to be in doubt to play or miss a game. And small partial tears are treated non surgically and don't limit you unless the pain worsens signifying the tear is getting larger at which time you shut him down. You do,surgery if it worsens or doesn't respond to nonsurgical treatment options. That is why you are hearing about it now. They have tried the nonsurgical methods like medication, physical therapy etc and they haven't fixed the problem so they had to pursue surgery so he can recover in time for training camp. How long he is gone depends on what they actually find when they go in there. You conspiracy theorists are ridiculous. Every knew he was hurt. The extent is the only issue. They felt he could play which he did and that  it would be okay and heal Nonsurgically.now that it hasn't they go to plan B.


I've had about enough of your level headed, well thought out viewpoints.. You'll never get pie with shenanigans like that.


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45 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

There is no guarantee that the injury occurred at the time of the MRI or not since he played after that. It could have happened later. Secondly, . A  small tear that doesn't require surgery would be reported  as no injury to avoid tipping off other teams that your quarterback is hurt for fear that opponents would target the injury to make it worse and they wouldn't fear his dep ball and crowd the box. Since the injury doesn't require surgery and it didn't stop,Cam from playing why would you report it. Do you think we report every turned ankle, turf toe injury unless it causes a player to be in doubt to play or miss a game. And small partial tears are treated non surgically and don't limit you unless the pain worsens signifying the tear is getting larger at which time you shut him down. You do,surgery if it worsens or doesn't respond to nonsurgical treatment options. That is why you are hearing about it now. They have tried the nonsurgical methods like medication, physical therapy etc and they haven't fixed the problem so they had to pursue surgery so he can recover in time for training camp. How long he is gone depends on what they actually find when they go in there. You conspiracy theorists are ridiculous. Every knew he was hurt. The extent is the only issue. They felt he could play which he did and that  it would be okay and heal Nonsurgically.now that it hasn't they go to plan B.

You make some valid points, but there is an issue here that can't be denied and could lead to locker room problems.

Let's assume Cam wanted to play, that's a fair assumption. It is also extremely likely that Luke wanted to play once he was cleared. Yet the staff chose to sit Luke in meaningless games but continue to trot Cam out there.

One of two things are true...either they value Luke's health and well being more than Cam's, or more likely, they let Cam make the call even though it was the staff's responsibilty to protect him from a bad decision.

In either scenario, different treatment for different employees is a quick way to lose the confidence of the workforce. As someone who managed many employees over the years I have seen this happen first hand, and more than once.

Spin it however you like, but I can pretty much guarantee that inside the locker room, players are talking about these very issues, and in no way is that a good thing for Rivera and company.

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9 minutes ago, Marguide said:

You make some valid points, but there is an issue here that can't be denied and could lead to locker room problems.

Let's assume Cam wanted to play, that's a fair assumption. It is also extremely likely that Luke wanted to play once he was cleared. Yet the staff chose to sit Luke in meaningless games but continue to trot Cam out there.

One of two things are true...either they value Luke's health and well being more than Cam's, or more likely, they let Cam make the call even though it was the staff's responsibilty to protect him from a bad decision.

In either scenario, different treatment for different employees is a quick way to lose the confidence of the workforce. As someone who managed many employees over the years I have seen this happen first hand, and more than once.

Spin it however you like, but I can pretty much guarantee that inside the locker room, players are talking about these very issues, and in no way is that a good thing for Rivera and company.

Great post. 

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7 hours ago, Marguide said:

You make some valid points, but there is an issue here that can't be denied and could lead to locker room problems.

Let's assume Cam wanted to play, that's a fair assumption. It is also extremely likely that Luke wanted to play once he was cleared. Yet the staff chose to sit Luke in meaningless games but continue to trot Cam out there.

One of two things are true...either they value Luke's health and well being more than Cam's, or more likely, they let Cam make the call even though it was the staff's responsibilty to protect him from a bad decision.

In either scenario, different treatment for different employees is a quick way to lose the confidence of the workforce. As someone who managed many employees over the years I have seen this happen first hand, and more than once.

Spin it however you like, but I can pretty much guarantee that inside the locker room, players are talking about these very issues, and in no way is that a good thing for Rivera and company.

Not the same at all. When Cam had a concussion he sat until he cleared the protocol. . Luke sat because he had multiply concussions and there is evidence that sitting out.longer is beneficial to prevent future problems. 

Cams shoulder issue was treated nonsurgically and there wasn't a clear protocol to follow. So everyone followed the established routine for a partial year. There is no evidence to show there was any favoritism shown. Truth is that Cam is a bigger investment than Luke so they would have been more careful with Cam given that football coaches and management aren't going to waste a 100 million investment when we already are going to have a losing season. Whether they liked Cam or not the investment risk would have guided their judgement 

 

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10 hours ago, The Lobo said:

I hope it isn't a Cam is a "diva" thing where he doesn't take orders from a coach. There was something last month about Dorsey and Shula being cams "yes" men. Sort of like management won't do stuff to make cam mad. In all of cams career I've never got that impression. Cam seems like a team first kind of guy. I just hope none of this is true.

They certainly don't do enough to keep him happy either. I hope it's not true either. I've never gotten that impression. But it could be that they know he's saved their asses more times than not so let's not piss the franchise off. Idk, I don't think it's true. I just know Ron has no authority if he "tried" and couldn't get him to sit over an injured shoulder but pulled the big guns over a tie LOL

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