Cam Newton is still Elite.

[Ace_Aladdin]

Just now, jbland said:

I hope you're correct. This team will go as far as Cam leads them. 

Gotta get the running game going we need to have J-Stew & CMC on the field at the same time so defense have to worry about run or pass with an audible.

[panthers_fan_in_tx]

"Still" elite? When was he elite before?  Not bagging him, but elite is a stretch.  I'll take him as good to real good.  

[TheRed]

Cam has tended to overthrow at times in his career. But never can I recall him just flat out missing wide open receivers like that in back to back games. It couldn't have anything at all to do with the fact that he spent the whole offseason recovering from throwing shoulder surgery, and missed crucial reps throughout camp and preseason, could it?

Man I thought our rivals were fickle lunatics, some of you guys are truly embarrassing. You do not deserve a 2-0 team right now. There are no rewards for lacking testicular fortitude.

[Ace_Aladdin]

17 minutes ago, panthers_fan_in_tx said:

"Still" elite? When was he elite before?  Not bagging him, but elite is a stretch.  I'll take him as good to real good.  

2015 when he had Ted Ginn as your #1 WR  and turnstile OTs

Elite status is reached when you make the players around you better and did/does that 

[joeyxfresco]

I always assumed if you’re an MVP winner you would be considered elite. I guess I may just be stupid though....

[Catufb85]

Cam Newton is still an Elite quarterback in this league.  The statistics other than his completion percentage shows he is still an Elite quarterback.  Though he may lack in pin point accuracy comparable to Brady and the others, Cam makes up for his intangibles, physical abilities, and his legs.

Anyone who knows anything about football other than what they listen to on ESPN, knows that Cam Newton is still an Elite quarterback.  For the first time in his career he actually has multiple weapons for him to use (when Shula doesn't screw it up) he has in that arsenal  power (Jstew) speed (CMC, Samuel, Shepard) he has massive pass catchers (Olsen, KB, and Funch) those who have followed the Panthers as long as I have (the beginning) know that this will be Cam's first year where he has the weapons to help him.  I could sit here and go through each year in Cam's career and inform you of his leading rusher, leading passer, and the efficiency of the Offensive line and smart football minded people can clearly see Cam has had the littlest to work with in his career than any other quarterback. 

Cam has lead the team in rushing, passing, and touchdowns in his 6 seasons so far.  Other than Olsen, Smitty (for 3 seasons) and Benjamin Cam has been surrounded by average if not below average talent.  Our Offensive line has been average at best drastically weighing on Kahlil and for the past 2-3 seasons Norwell and Turner to improve that from atrocious to average.  I was a Gettleman believer and bought in to his business style money pinching moves throughout his time here. However, I said from the get go that Gettleman definitely should have been more proactive about protecting Cam and spending money on tackles. 

Cam has been sacked the most and sacked the most out of all the other QBs in the past several years.  It makes me cringe to turn on ESPN every Sunday and here them talking about "Football Jesus"  aka Andrew Luck because the entire NFL world is waiting from his 2nd coming and have all but inducted him into the Hall of Fame. 

QB	G	Att	Comp	Pct	Att/G	Yds	Avg	Yds/G	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	20+	40+	Sck	SckY	Rate
T.Brady	95	3061	1895	61.9	32.15	21,558	7.08	226	147	4.83	78	2.56	270	44	182	1150	88.48
D.Brees	90	2988	1906	63.3	33.1	20,968	7	230	133	4.48	82	2.8	262	48	124	926	87.3
A.Rodgers	87	2896	1910	66.01	33.2	23,868	8.28	275.11	187	6.43	51	1.78	310	72	223	1359	105.6
Big Ben	72	1905	1189	62.8	26.18	14,974	8.02	207	101	5.48	69	3.58	194	39	192	1253	91.26
M. Ryan	94	3288	2093	63.2	34.9	23,472	7.15	248.55	153	4.63	77	2.36	253	48	157	1035	90.08
R.Wilson	80	2281	1476	64.62	28.5	18,193	7.96	227	127	5.64	45	1.98	256	49	205	1275	99.78
A. Luck	70	2651	1570	58.96	38.3	19,078	7.12	272	132	5	68	2.72	264	46	156	990	86.26
P.Rivers	96	3007	1913	63.5	31.35	24,137	8.01	251	162	5.4	77	2.55	331	55	167	1050	95.8
M.Stafford	96	3812	2376	62.4	39.6	27,501	7.21	286	168	4.45	87	2.26	343	64	214	1358	89.5
C. Newton	93	2928	1710	58.4	31.5	21,772	7.4	233	136	4.65	78	2.65	286	49	221	1701	86.13

 

Here is a spreadsheet I put together at work of all of the Top 10 QBs NFL.com ranked at the start of the year.  These are all of their first 6 seasons on the teams.  As you an see CAM is ELITE.  What else i can from this is that Cam and Luck are almost similar in completion % but you will never hear an analysis criticize Luck on his accuracy.  Cam has more TDs than Luck, Wilson, Brees and Big Ben through their first 6 season.  Cam is 4th in this group with 20+ passing completions, Cam is tied in 4th with 40+ passing yard completions, Cam has been sacked the 2nd most other than Big Ben totaling 1700 yards lost. 

Cam is Elite.  Cam and just like every other successful QB in history needs help from a supporting case.  If you look at these names you can immediately start naming all of all the All-Pro players these other quarterbacks had to throw to or hand off I won't list them because it would take too long but you get my drift.

Its become a popular side to take on sports networks to criticize Cam, but in the end like this guy did in the video naming everything that Cam has done with the least amount of talent can only leave you with one though....

Dang, this guy actually might be pretty darn good.

Keep Pounding.

[Johnny Rockets]

31 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Cam has tended to overthrow at times in his career. But never can I recall him just flat out missing wide open receivers like that in back to back games. It couldn't have anything at all to do with the fact that he spent the whole offseason recovering from throwing shoulder surgery, and missed crucial reps throughout camp and preseason, could it?

Man I thought our rivals were fickle lunatics, some of you guys are truly embarrassing. You do not deserve a 2-0 team right now. There are no rewards for lacking testicular fortitude.

In the preseason weren't you were all about saying Cam missing time was a non issue and anyone who brought it up as a concern was just doing so for click bait or trolling? Now people who don't think it is an issue are fickle lunatics?

[TheRed]

2 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

In the preseason weren't you were all about saying Cam missing time was a non issue and anyone who brought it up as a concern was just doing so for click bait or trolling? Now people who don't think it is an issue are fickle lunatics?

I never said it was a non issue. I said the media was over playing their hand with the issue. They were. We all knew Cam would need a few games to get back into form. I wasn't concerned about him being able to play, I was concerned about lack of continuity with the offense. It might take a few more games, who knows. All I know is there are people who care more about using Cam for their own gain than his health. It sucks but it's true.

[Peppers90 NC]

2 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

In the preseason weren't you were all about saying Cam missing time was a non issue and anyone who brought it up as a concern was just doing so for click bait or trolling? Now people who don't think it is an issue are fickle lunatics?

I think they really believe he is Superman

[falconidae]

3 hours ago, Catufb85 said:

Here is a spreadsheet I put together at work of all of the Top 10 QBs NFL.com ranked at the start of the year.  These are all of their first 6 seasons on the teams.  As you an see CAM is ELITE.  What else i can from this is that Cam and Luck are almost similar in completion % but you will never hear an analysis criticize Luck on his accuracy.  Cam has more TDs than Luck, Wilson, Brees and Big Ben through their first 6 season.  Cam is 4th in this group with 20+ passing completions, Cam is tied in 4th with 40+ passing yard completions, Cam has been sacked the 2nd most other than Big Ben totaling 1700 yards lost. 

Cam is Elite.  Cam and just like every other successful QB in history needs help from a supporting case.  If you look at these names you can immediately start naming all of all the All-Pro players these other quarterbacks had to throw to or hand off I won't list them because it would take too long but you get my drift.

Its become a popular side to take on sports networks to criticize Cam, but in the end like this guy did in the video naming everything that Cam has done with the least amount of talent can only leave you with one though....

Dang, this guy actually might be pretty darn good.

Keep Pounding.

Cam is a very good QB, but the spreadsheet doesn't prove he's elite- 58 % completion, 7.4YPA and 86 QB rating are not elite numbers. 4.65% TD is not elite.  Those are good numbers, not elite ones. Add 3500 rushing yards and 48 rushing TDs, they become elite numbers, strictly passing numbers, no.

And, you didn't intend to, you were simply using 6 years because of Cam, but 5-6 years is when the elite QB's numbers start taking off. Ryan, for example,  averaged  60% comp 3500 yards, 25 TDs first 4 years, then  66% , 4700, 29  over last 5 years. The other QB's on that list, except Luck, have had similar jumps.

For Cam to keep up with the others in years 6-10, his passing production is going to have jump up considerably.

 

 

[Ace_Aladdin]

11 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Cam is a very good QB, but the spreadsheet doesn't prove he's elite- 58 % completion, 7.4YPA and 86 QB rating are not elite numbers. 4.65% TD is not elite.  Those are good numbers, not elite ones. Add 3500 rushing yards and 48 rushing TDs, they become elite numbers, strictly passing numbers, no.

And, you didn't intend to, you were simply using 6 years because of Cam, but 5-6 years is when the elite QB's numbers start taking off. Ryan, for example,  averaged  60% comp 3500 yards, 25 TDs first 4 years, then  66% , 4700, 29  over last 5 years. The other QB's on that list, except Luck, have had similar jumps.

For Cam to keep up with the others in years 6-10, his passing production is going to have jump up considerably.

 

 

Notice Matty's numbers went up after they got more talent surrounding him besides Julio . If Cam had the same talent he would have had 6,000yds

[uncfan888]

There's nothing wrong with the falcons helping Ryan out. Every qb except for Brady needs talent around them to win.. Even Rodgers struggled without Jordy

[falconidae]

7 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Notice Matty's numbers went up after they got more talent surrounding him besides Julio . If Cam had the same talent he would have had 6,000yds

Which doesn't change either of my points- those aren't elite numbers and Cam's going to have to really bump up his passing numbers in years 6-10 to keep up with the other big name QBs.

[Darvinsun]

14 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Which doesn't change either of my points- those aren't elite numbers and Cam's going to have to really bump up his passing numbers in years 6-10 to keep up with the other big name QBs.

I thought we were a run team with occasional  passing..We would have to change our style of offense.. all those QBs are on a pass first except russell wilson snd now iam not sure if they are turning into more of a passing team...We are not going to change so really can't  go off numbers alone he has to pass the eye test and based on what he has to work with..We know he is capable of putting up those numbers. So i would say yes he is aan elite qb..he is just not your traditional qb..He is not good on short passes but excellent on long passes, traditional are good on both. Can anybody run like him rodgers and wilson..Thats called a wash..now if he is not running then it drops his effectiveness and he would have to improve on his short throws..We are about there but for now i still say elite until injury is healed and he is back healthy.