Some very troubling stats re: Cam

[Ja Rhule]

6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Back to the 42 sacks the last 16 games....

That's an average of what, 2 and a half sacks a game?

Clearly Newton's accuracy is more off than in previous years. I imagine some of that would possibly have something to do with recovery from surgery on his throwing shoulder, but that might be crazy talk.

But other than Cam's accuracy being up and down, we were still in position to win many times today. Even with that, if there was more opportune playcalling, and better OL play at crucial points in the game, I think we could have won. Especially if either or both of those potential interceptions that Luke and TD were unable to haul in were caught. That's not even mentioning how badly our secondary was abused. This loss was a definite group effort.

36 sacks last year is average...  Actually 19th out of 32 teams.

[Ja Rhule]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

If Newton doesn't care about football why the hell would he make so much of an effort to get into the best overall shape of his career and life the same offseason he had shoulder surgery?

He openly talked about this numerous times.

Does that sound like a guy to you that doesn't take football seriously?

If it does, it's you with the problem. Not him.

Unfortunately, when you play QB, shape maters very little.  See Tom Brady, David Carr, Kirk Cousins and etc.  Understanding plays and knowing playbook means everything.  When Cam throws into double coverage when his 2nd read is wide open...  that not what elite QBs do... that's what rookies do, it has nothing to do with shape.

[TheRed]

Just now, ARSEN said:

Unfortunately, when you play QB, shape maters very little.  See Tom Brady, David Carr, Kirk Cousins and etc.  Understanding plays and knowing playbook means everything.  When Cam throws into double coverage when his 2nd read is wide open...  that not what elite QBs do... that's what rookies do, it has nothing to do with shape.

Oh bull. You're just moving the goal posts now. It's dedication. Tom Brady in particular who you couldn't wait to mention is in unbelievable shape and makes that a top priority. He even put out a book detailing his diet habits. Newton follows a similar strict diet.

If Newton had strolled into camp this offseason out of shape there's no way in hell you would be sitting here now crowing about how shape doesn't matter for quarterbacks.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

38 minutes ago, TheRed said:

What proof do you have to backup this honestly borderline racist assertion?

And before anyone is all like "ZOMG RACE CARD". Were there people here questioning whether Delhomme took football seriously after he threw a billion touchdowns against Arizona?

When was the last time any white QB in recent memory was accused of this other than cokehead Johnny Manziel?

Fine, I'll bite. 

Jay Cutler, Tony Romo, Blake Bortles, Matt Lienart, Mathew Stafford, David Carr, Brady Quinn, Kerry Collins, Cade McNown, Ryan Leaf.

 

Pretty confident their hearts were all questioned at one point or another. It isn't racist to say Cam has sucked for a 16 game stretch when factually Cam has sucked for a 16 game stretch. Believe it or not, I'm his biggest defender ever, but it is what it is. It may be injuries, poor play calling, etc. but the dude can't complete passes right now. He has more INTs than TDs (both through the air and on the ground) and he's just barely managing to complete over 50% of his throws. 

It also isn't racist to question whether or not his heart is as in the game as it once was. It probably isn't. He's grown as a man. Football was his life when he entered the NFL. Now he has a family, his business interests etc that he focuses on. Every post he made used to be about football. Now he posts himself smoking cigars in front of cars in obscure fashion just as much.  

It doesn't mean it isn't still important to him. But pointing this out doesn't make ARSEN or anyone else "racist" ffs. Cam isn't playing well lately. Doesn't make you racist or a bad fan to point that out. The saints have one of the worst pass defenses in the league and Cam (and the whole offense included) made them look like the fugging Seahawks today.

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Fine, I'll bite. 

Jay Cutler, Tony Romo, Blake Bortles, Matt Lienart, Mathew Stafford, David Carr, Brady Quinn, Kerry Collins, Cade McNown, Ryan Leaf.

 

Pretty confident their hearts were all questioned at one point or another. It isn't racist to say Cam has sucked for a 16 game stretch when factually Cam has sucked for a 16 game stretch. Believe it or not, I'm his biggest defender ever, but it is what it is. It may be injuries, poor play calling, etc. but the dude can't complete passes right now. He has more INTs than TDs (both through the air and on the ground) and he's just barely managing to complete over 50% of his throws. 

It also isn't racist to question whether or not his heart is as in the game as it once was. It probably isn't. He's grown as a man. Football was his life when he entered the NFL. Now he has a family, his business interests etc that he focuses on. Every post he made used to be about football. Now he posts himself smoking cigars in front of cars in obscure fashion just as much.  

It doesn't mean it isn't still important to him. But pointing this out doesn't make ARSEN or anyone else "racist" ffs. Cam isn't playing well lately. Doesn't make you racist or a bad fan to point that out. The saints have one of the worst pass defenses in the league and Cam (and the whole offense included) made them look like the fugging Seahawks today.

All those guys were given chance after chance after chance after chance after chance.

Black QB's in the NFL are not afforded that luxury.

So implying Newton doesn't care about football when absolutely nothing can be used that we've seen to indicate that is true is very ignorant at the least.

If you don't agree whatevs. I've seen enough racist remarks about Newton on the huddle to know what's what by now.

[Ja Rhule]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Oh bull. You're just moving the goal posts now. It's dedication. Tom Brady in particular who you couldn't wait to mention is in unbelievable shape and makes that a top priority. He even put out a book detailing his diet habits. Newton follows a similar strict diet.

If Newton had strolled into camp this offseason out of shape there's no way in hell you would be sitting here now crowing about how shape doesn't matter for quarterbacks.

While Brady, Ryan, Rogers and etc spend every summer practicing with professional trainers to fix their throwing motion, release, foot work and etc...  Cam was shooting commercials and partying in California at exactly the same time.  Cam still has footwork issues that cause him to sail balls over his receiver...  he never bothered to get it fixed.

[Paa Langfart]

Its everyones fault but Cams Arsen.  Red has spoken.

[TheRed]

6 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

While Brady, Ryan, Rogers and etc spend every summer practicing with professional trainers to fix their throwing motion, release, foot work and etc...  Cam was shooting commercials and partying in California at exactly the same time.  Cam still has footwork issues that cause him to sail balls over his receiver...  he never bothered to get it fixed.

What does shooting commercials have to do with anything?

Rodgers made a slew of commercials with State Farm for years based on his touchdown celebration of all things, and Brady has all sorts of commercials too.

To the posters asking why I'm questioning if race is a factor, do you see the lengths to which this guy is going to question Newton's work ethic and dedication to football?

Commercials. Seriously?

At the end of the day this is still the same huddle it was before we drafted Cam when it was riddled with stereotypes about black quarterbacks. The rhetoric is still there, just less on the surface. It only seeps back out when we start losing.

All of this makes me even more disappointed that Cam and our other team leaders did nothing to address the protest.

[Ja Rhule]

Just now, Paa Langfart said:

Its everyones fault but Cams Arsen.  Red has spoken.

Cam threw for 167 yards and 109 of those were to running back...  So Cam threw for only 58 yards to wide receivers lol.  And watching a game, wide receivers were wide open.  Cam zero in on his first read and waited for his read to get open, if not open he threw it to McCaffrey.  He did not scanned the filled, he did not read defense (there was no time to be honest because of Shula design), he did not threw the ball away but forced it into double and triple coverage.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

12 minutes ago, TheRed said:

All those guys were given chance after chance after chance after chance after chance.

Black QB's in the NFL are not afforded that luxury.

So implying Newton doesn't care about football when absolutely nothing can be used that we've seen to indicate that is true is very ignorant at the least.

If you don't agree whatevs. I've seen enough racist remarks about Newton on the huddle to know what's what by now.

Michael Vick wasn't given multiple chances? What about his cousin Aaron Brooks? Donovan McNabb? How long did Steve McNair play in this league again? Dante Culpepper had a long run. And I can recall Jason Campbell playing way longer than he should have in Washington... hmmm

By the way, didn't Byron Leftwich's mediocre ass play a long time down in Jacksonville? Who replaced him? I can't remember. Was it Gerard? Oh that's right...

hey, what do you know. The NFL doesn't quite seem to be as racist as you seem to recall. Odd...

oh for the record, some of those QBs were legendary... as is our Cam. But the last 16 games have sucked... that isn't racist. That's real. Find a new counter argument.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

45 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

Cam threw for 167 yards and 109 of those were to running back...  So Cam threw for only 58 yards to wide receivers lol.  And watching a game, wide receivers were wide open.  Cam zero in on his first read and waited for his read to get open, if not open he threw it to McCaffrey.  He did not scanned the filled, he did not read defense (there was no time to be honest because of Shula design), he did not threw the ball away but forced it into double and triple coverage.

If you think Cam overthrew Dickson for a wide open TD in week one you are obviously racist as fug... he knows "what's what" around here xD

[TheMostInterestingMan]

Also, Liverpool has me one hell of an emotional swing this season... I imagine Arsen Wenger is doing the same to you xD

[TheRed]

6 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Michael Vick wasn't given multiple chances? What about his cousin Aaron Brooks? Donovan McNabb? How long to Steve McNair play in this league again? Dante Culpepper had a long run. And I can recall Jason Campbell playing way longer than he should have in Washington... hmmm

By the way, didn't Byron Leftwich's mediocre ass play a long time down in Jacksonville? Who replaced him? I can't remember. Was it Gerard? Oh that's right...

hey, what do you know. The NFL doesn't quite seem to be as racist as you seem to recall. Odd...

I was referring to all the different teams they had started on between them. Started. That's not even mentioning some were still backups long after that.

Aaron Brooks and McNabb were each chewed up and spit out by their respective teams and cities.

Leftwich didn't even land a backup role after Jacksonville. Gerard? lol are you kidding me?

Vick is about the only one of those I'll give you, and even he still has people who hate his guts.

But I think you're purposely getting away from the heart of the issue here. Which was the initial and subsequent comments about whether Newton cares about football.

ARSEN provided no proof. You got anything?

[Ja Rhule]

Just now, TheRed said:

What does shooting commercials have to do with anything?

Rodgers made a slew of commercials with State Farm for years based on his touchdown celebration of all things, and Brady has all sorts of commercials too.

To the posters asking why I'm questioning if race is a factor, do you see the lengths to which this guy is going to question Newton's work ethic and dedication to football?

Commercials. Seriously?

At the end of the day this is still the same huddle it was before we drafted Cam when it was riddled with stereotypes about black quarterbacks. The rhetoric is still there, just less on the surface. It only seeps back out when we start losing.

All of this makes me even more disappointed that Cam and our other team leaders did nothing to address the protest.

The point is not Cam shooting commercials... Point is he living almost all off-season in California... partying his ass off and trying to get into Hollywood.  I follow him on Instagram...  Dude literally posted pics of himself smoking cigars and partying every day. Remember the lawsuit from few months ago where Cam threw a party at his place and it was completely trashed and destroyed?