Gonna break down our offense indepth with gamepass. Any game you prefer?

[PrimeTimeHeel]

Just finished 1st drive of ours. The only one we did good on minus the fumble. Did not like what we are doing on 1st down. To predictable and not calling plays to attack their D. Another observation, Crossing routes and posts are good. Need more of them. 

 

1st Drive

1st n 10

O Look - 2 wide / 2 HB

D Look - Loaded box (8s) Press outside (assume man)

O Play - Run inside

Bad play calling a run against a loaded box.

 

2nd n 8

O Look - 4 wide Trips Spread

D Look - Soft box (6) / 2 high S / Press KB / Aligned (assume man)

O Play - Looks like 3 curls or in routes with a deep inside post with CMC out to the flats open

D Play - 4 man rush / Hard to tell if zone or man but leaning zone

Play breaks down immediately due to miscommunication on OL. Cam had 2 seconds to get rid of the ball. Could have possibly hit CMC in the flats quick.

 

3rd n 15

O Look - 5 wide Trips to the left

D Look - 2 High S (appears zone)

O Play - 1 Vertical + 2 deep posts + CMC on a In or drag short

D Play - Appears zone / Only rush 3

I like this play. Got something short and also complementary routes deep. Cam hits Wr on a deep  inside Post which was cleared out by another post or seam route. 

 

1st n 10

O Look - undercenter 2 wide

D Look - 1 high S / off coverage / other S very close to the box, pretty much in the box for run support

O Play - Run inside

Again bad call due to box / d look

 

2nd n 9

O Look - 4 wide tight / bunch left

D Look - 2 high S / KB pressed / 7 box / appears zone

O Play - KB on a crossing route / 3 deep / CMC on a short in route

D Play - Zone / 4 man rush

Like this play call. KB open on the crossing route for a completion and 1st down

 

1st n 10

O Look - I formation / 2 WR to the left

D Look - 2 high S /

O Play - Run inside

Play was ok. Obvious run formation though. Box was ok to run on. Poor blocking and running. Again I like to pass when the other team is thinking run. And run when other team is thinking pass.

 

2nd n 8

O Look - Goes empty / bunch trips to the right

D  Look - 2 high S / weak box (6) / appears zone

O Play - 3 deep routes + Crossing route

D Play - appears zone but with maybe a man assignment

Cam takes off for a huge run here. He could have hit the crossing route. Dont like how we have 2 verticals on the same side of field. would have like to see a deep post instead.

 

1st n 10

O Look - 2 wr + TE on the line to the right with left WR in tight / undercenter

D Look - 2 high S / normal box (7) / appears zone / off coverage

O Play - Play action roll out

D Play - think zone not sure / rush 5

Always a fan of play action roll out with Cam. Play results in nice little completion.

 

1st n 10

O Look - Motion / 2 hb

D Look - appears man / 2 high / normal box

O Play - Option pitch

D Play - Rush 4 / man

Like the play but it results in a fumble and TD by Chi. They collapse on the fake handoff to CMC and Cam. Samuel could have had a nice gain if held onto it.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

2nd drive. Was messed up early due to the sack. would have liked to get some back on 2nd down instead of all of it. 

 

2nd Drive

1st n 10

O Look - offset Iformation

D Look - 2 high / normal box / press

O Play - play action / 2 deep routes / 1 vertical and one corner or out route / delayed route to the flats

D Play - rush 4 / not sure man or zone

Ok play as I think right outside Wr was going to be open on his corner. TE gets manhandled and line breaks down in 3 seconds. Would been better if we had some type of check down or drag though.

2nd n 16

O Look - 5 wide spread trips right

D Look - 2 high / press kb / looks man aligned / weak box

O Play - 3 verticals / CMC on an up and out

D Play - 4 man rush / looks zone

CMC was open on his up and out. Looked like the inside vertical beat his man and was open slightly deep but that would not have been an easy throw and catch. Cam throws and inaccurate pass to a covered funchess on what was either a deep out or a comeback.

 

3rd n 16

O Look - 4 wide Trips to the right

D Look - 2 High S (appears zone)

O Play - 2 verticals + deep out + KB on a crossing route

D Play - Appears zone / 4 man rush

Tough sport to be in here. Play was ok. But the timing and accuracy was off.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

3rd drive in the books. Man this was just head scratching. 

 

3rd Drive

1st n 10

O Look - heavy 2 te set undercenter

D Look - 1 high S / heavy box 9 / press

O Play - hb run off tackle

D Play -

Again just terrible. 9 guys in the box. Need to do a play action here, roll out or something.

2nd n 11

O Look - exact same formation as last one 2 te heavy set undercenter

D Look - 8 to 9 in the box

O Play - hb inside run

D Play -

Again just terrible. Not only is it a bad play based on D look, you just did the same thing and it went no where.

 

3rd n 10

O Look - 4 wide bunch trips to the left

D Look - 2 High S / off coverage

O Play - 3 deep routes + 1 delayed flats

D Play - zone / rush 4 with a qb spy or delayed rusher

Routes took too long to develop. The corner flat combo opened up the corner but took 4+ seconds. Cam is sacked in 4 seconds. Would have liked to see a medium crossing route complimented with a post route.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

 

4th Drive

 

1st n 10

O Look - 4 wide spread

D Look - 2 high S / weak box 6 /

O Play - two deep routes + fake wr screen + hb screen

D Play - man

Play seemed a little iffy. Lot of congestion in that screen pass to CMC.

 

2nd n 2

O Look - 4 wide trips right bunch / undercenter

D Look - weak box 6 / 2 high S

O Play - delayed hb run

D Play - man blitz?

Decent play call. We were in pass formation against a weak box. Picked up 4 yards

 

1st n 10

O Look - heavy I formation set

D Look - 1 High S / other S in between pass and run support / heavy box 8

O Play - hb run off guard

Not the best play here against loaded box. It gets us 13 yrds but due to some great blocking and missed tackles.

1st n 10

O Look - heavy I formation set

D Look - 1 High S / other S in between pass and run support / heavy box 8

O Play - hb run off guard

Again, do not like. Obvious run. Heavy box. Stopped for no gain.

 

2nd n 10

O Look - 4 wide trips to the left

D Look - 2 high S / weak box 6

O Play - 2 medium ins on the left with a deep out route to KB

D Play - Rush 4

Out was open but Cam missed the pass.

 

3rd n 10

O Look - 4 wide spread

D Look - 1 high S / weak box 6

O Play - 1 vertical + flats + slant + in route

D Play - Rush 4 / man

Like the play. Problem is Cam locks into KB on the slant and does not look anywhere else. Go going to flats was wide open. Force pass results in a pick.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

Some things that jump out to me so far. 

How often we run on 1st down against stacked boxes in obvious run formations. 

How little we run out of shotgun against weak boxes. 

How little we do option runs / passes. 

How little we attack the middle of the field with drags, ins, crosses etc. 

 

[PrimeTimeHeel]

 

5th Drive

 

1st n 10

O Look - 4 wide trips left / undercenter

D Look - 2 high S / normal box 7

O Play - hb inside run

Decent play call. Came out in pass formation, although it was undercenter and we usually do not pass in undercenter like that. But got a nice run fron Stew

 

1st n 10

O Look - heavy set / undercenter

D Look - normal box 7 / 2 high S

O Play - hb inside run

Decent play. Nets 5 yards.

 

2nd n 5

O Look - 4 wide / trips left / motioned WR right

D Look - 2 high S / weak box 6

O Play - qb option run

Good play call. Poor blocking by the WRs

 

3rd n 5

O Look - 4 wide trips left / CMC breaks out right to make it 5 wide

D Look - 2 high S / Weak box 6

O Play - 3 verticals + 2 curls

D Play - blitz a lb rush 4 drop a de into coverage / zone

Decent play. Picked up 7 yrds with a middle field curl

 

1st n 10

O Look - 2 wide undercenter heavy set

D Look - 1 high S / Other S in middle space

O Play - fake WR handoff then playaction to hb / 2 deep routes / CMC to the flats / delayed hb in and out

D Play - Rush 4 / Zone

Left outside WR slips on his route. Ify on this play. I like to see something going shallow across the middle always. So not happy when I doing see it. Cam has plenty of time but no one was open. He could have threw a jump ball to KB one on one with the S deep. Cam gets sacked.

 

2nd n 11

O Look - 2 wide undercenter heavy look

D Look - 1 high S / heavy box 8

O Play - hb run off tackle

Bad play call. Run goes no where.

 

3rd n 10

O Look - 4 wide trips left

D Look - 2 high S / weak box 6

O Play - 4 deep routes / CMC to the flats / 2 verticals and 2 deep curls

D Play - Rush 4 / Zone

Play works but I am not a fan. Had absolutely zero route underneath. Not sure why Chi had zero hook zone in the middle of the field.

 

1st n 10

O Look - sg heavy set 2 te

D Look - 1 high S / heavy box but spread out

O Play - option hand off to hb

Not a fan of running here but atleast it was an option run that gave the D something else to worry about. Picked up 5 yards here.

 

2nd n 5

O Look - i form undercenter

D Look - 2 high S / normal box 7

O Play - fake wr handoff hb run outside

Not a great play call. Although the blocking was terrible. The DL was wide so actually should have run up the middle. Got 1 yard

 

3rd n 4

O Look - 5 wide trips left

D Look - 1 high S / weak box 6 / man aligned

O Play - qb scramble

D Play - press man / no spy

Good play here. Nets us 6 yrds and a 1st

 

1st n 10

O Look - 4 wide undercenter

D Look - 2 high S / weak box 6

O Play - hb inside

Good play call. Only 3 yrds but the numbers where there.

 

2nd n 7

O Look - 4 wide trips left

D Look - 2 high S / weak box 6

O Play - 2 deep routes + out route + CMC doing a nice cut up the field out the back field

D Play - Rush 4 / Zone

Now this was a great play. All really good routes attack most of the field with nice layers concept. 8 yrd pass for the 1st down.

 

1st n 10

O Look - sg 2 te heavy

D Look - 1 high S / normal box 7 spread

O Play - play action with slants

D Play - rush a lot and bite on the fake

Like this play. Ball gets batted down though.

 

2nd n 10

O Look - 4 wide bunch trips right tight

D Look - 2 high S / weak box 6

O Play - option hb handoff

Meh play due to 7 in the box. Run goes no where

 

3rd n 10

O Look - 4 wide trips right which turns into 3 wide due to te coming in to block

D Look - 2 high S / weak box 6

O Play - 3 deep routes

D Play - man blitz with delayed spy

Seems we had to change the play due to the blitz. Would have liked to see some layers here. Incomplete pass.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

 

6th Drive

 

1st n 10

O Look - 2 te heavy I formation

D Look - 1 high S / normal box 7

O Play - hb inside run

Decent play call. Although predictable. Gets us 6 yrs

 

2nd n 4

O Look - 4 wide trips right

D Look - light box 6 / 2 high S

O Play - QB scramble

D Play - rush 4 zone

Good play call. Scramble with the HB as lead blocker. Gets 8 yards.

 

1st n 10

O Look - 3 wide

D Look - 1 high S / normal box 7 / looks man

O Play - wr screen

D Play - man

Terrible call. There are 2 CBs lined up over the 2 WRs where the screen goes. No advantage in numbers and they were not even off.

 

2nd n 8

O Look - 4 wide

D Look - No S high with 2 DBs playing off rest press. Seems man

O Play - posts and a in route with delayed flat route

D Play - heavy man blitz

Decent play. Problem here is Cam not getting the ball out quicker. Could have hit the flat route for a nice gain. Cam under pressure and throws in to CMC behind the line for a -5 yd loss.

 

3rd n 13

O Look - 3 wide trips left

D Look - 2 high S / weak box 6

O Play - 3 deep + 1 cross + CMC on a deep curl vacated by the cross

D Play - Rush 4 / Zone

Good play. Love to see crosses. We hit CMC for a nice 20 yard play.

 

1st n 10

O Look - sg empty heavy set

D Look - 1 high S / light box 6

O Play - 3 deep with CMC doing a in route over the middle

D Play - rush 4 zone

Good play. Bad read. Cam had CMC over the middle wide open. Incomplete pass.

 

2nd n 10

O Look - 3 wide 2 in the backfield

D Look - 1 high S / weak box 6

O Play - option QB keeper

Great play. Gets us 12 yards.

 

1st n 10

O Look - heavy undercenter

D Look - 2 high S / 7 box

O Play - hb inside

Decent play. Predictable though. Chi closes in on the run fast. Only nets 2 yards.

 

2nd n 8

O Look - sg full house formation?

D Look - 1 high S / normal box 7

O Play -fake hb run / 2 deep routes + 2 flat routes

Like the play action but not the route combos. Nothing over the middle short to medium. CMC with a minimal gain.

 

3rd n 5

O Look - 4 wide bunch trips left tight

D Look - 2 high S / 7 box

O Play - 3 deep + 2 flats

D Play - zone rush 4

Ok play call. Cam misses an easy read out to the left flats. Forces a tight pass to CMC for 3 yards. would have had first down if hit the other guy.

[Malt Liquor]

Shula has always been trash. Alabama fired his ass and hired Nick Saben the rest is history.

[rayzor]

16 hours ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Some things that jump out to me so far. 

How often we run on 1st down against stacked boxes in obvious run formations. 

How little we run out of shotgun against weak boxes. 

How little we do option runs / passes. 

How little we attack the middle of the field with drags, ins, crosses etc. 

 

but there's no problem with the play calling, right? lol

[PrimeTimeHeel]

Dang this is time consuming. 

Think I have seen enough. Just confirmed everything I already assumed was wrong with our O. 

1) Predictable esp on 1st down. Way to much runs in obvious run formations

2) Running on heavy boxes 

3) Not enough running on light boxes from SG spread formations

4) Not enough option plays

5) Minimal complimentary route combos ie levels, floods, clear outs etc. 

6) Minimal use of attacking the short and or middle of the field with drags, crosses, in's etc

7) Cam not recognizing proper hot routes (routes that people are playing off of and can take advantage of or where a blitz is coming from and attacking that vacated space)

8) Cam not getting the ball out to the flats or any short routes for that matter enough 

9) Goes along with #8 but just Cam holding the ball too long and always looking deep first

10) Continuing to stick to the run when your OL is getting zero push 

11) Just plain inconsistency from Cam and Shula. A few plays are great then you get a few WTF terrible play calls and reads. 

[PrimeTimeHeel]

Dang this is time consuming. 

Think I have seen enough. Just confirmed everything I already assumed was wrong with our O. 

1) Predictable esp on 1st down. Way to much runs in obvious run formations

2) Running on heavy boxes 

3) Not enough running on light boxes from SG spread formations

4) Not enough option plays

5) Minimal complimentary route combos ie levels, floods, clear outs etc. 

6) Minimal use of attacking the short and or middle of the field with drags, crosses, in's etc

7) Cam not recognizing proper hot routes (routes that people are playing off of and can take advantage of or where a blitz is coming from and attacking that vacated space)

8) Cam not getting the ball out to the flats or any short routes for that matter enough 

9) Goes along with #8 but just Cam holding the ball too long and always looking deep first

10) Continuing to stick to the run when your OL is getting zero push 

11) Just plain inconsistency from Cam and Shula. A few plays are great then you get a few WTF terrible play calls and reads. 

If I missed anything from the above, feel free to add it in. I think I am missing atleast one more problem. 

[rayzor]

7 minutes ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Dang this is time consuming. 

Think I have seen enough. Just confirmed everything I already assumed was wrong with our O. 

1) Predictable esp on 1st down. Way to much runs in obvious run formations

2) Running on heavy boxes 

3) Not enough running on light boxes from SG spread formations

4) Not enough option plays

5) Minimal complimentary route combos ie levels, floods, clear outs etc. 

6) Minimal use of attacking the short and or middle of the field with drags, crosses, in's etc

7) Cam not recognizing proper hot routes (routes that people are playing off of and can take advantage of or where a blitz is coming from and attacking that vacated space)

8) Cam not getting the ball out to the flats or any short routes for that matter enough 

9) Goes along with #8 but just Cam holding the ball too long and always looking deep first

10) Continuing to stick to the run when your OL is getting zero push 

11) Just plain inconsistency from Cam and Shula. A few plays are great then you get a few WTF terrible play calls and reads. 

appreciate the work!

i just can't understand why we are so committed to doing the same thing on first downs when it flat doesn't work most of the time. it's either no gain or a loss of yardage too often and puts way too much pressure on the next couple plays which increases the likelihood of mistakes being made.

how can they see that it's just not working and not see that they need to do something else.

i've never had anyone give me a good reason why you are supposed to run on first.

this little article is from 2013, but i can't imagine that it's much different now. basic premise is that a successful play on first or second down is getting at least 4 yards each time and successful 3rd and 4th downs result in first downs. passing plays achieved greater success on first and second downs as well as third downs where greater than 5 yards were needed. Meanwhile rushing plays were more successful than passing plays on third downs (with less than 5 yards to gain) and of course on fourth downs. we're doing it all backwards from what works. i just don't get it.

 

[PrimeTimeHeel]

11 minutes ago, rayzor said:

appreciate the work!

i just can't understand why we are so committed to doing the same thing on first downs when it flat doesn't work most of the time. it's either no gain or a loss of yardage too often and puts way too much pressure on the next couple plays which increases the likelihood of mistakes being made.

how can they see that it's just not working and not see that they need to do something else.

i've never had anyone give me a good reason why you are supposed to run on first.

this little article is from 2013, but i can't imagine that it's much different now. basic premise is that a successful play on first or second down is getting at least 4 yards each time and successful 3rd and 4th downs result in first downs. passing plays achieved greater success on first and second downs as well as third downs where greater than 5 yards were needed. Meanwhile rushing plays were more successful than passing plays on third downs (with less than 5 yards to gain) and of course on fourth downs. we're doing it all backwards from what works. i just don't get it.

 

Easy to understand when you realize Shula is a bad OC. 

What makes it so worse is that is what we have let Cam learn and develop under. 

I do not mind running on 1st down. I just want us to run when its advantageous to us. When the D is thinking and defending for a pass. Or if we have a beast OL that has proven to be able to run on normal boxes, then ok. But that isn't the case for us. I never want us to run on 1st down against a 8-9 man box though. 

 

[uncfan888]

Thanks for the breakdown. Nice info