What's Hurney thinking about? A few general answers

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

He did that here too from 1999-2001 before getting the GM job, one of the key reasons he got the job in 2002

And not terribly long thereafter, the cap went to s--t.

Talk up Hurney's cap management skills all you want.  Even accepting that premise, do you still seriously wanna try and say he's a more qualified talent evaluator than the other candidates?

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, frash.exe said:

did beathard make it past 3rd grade math

Beathard was horribly wrong on both counts.  

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

did beathard make it past 3rd grade math

Beathard talking up Hurney isn't exactly a shock.

It's also from Beathard that Hurney picked up the practice of trading future first rounders.

[bewonee]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

None of your assessment of KB is true.  Shula was the reason our offense was predictable, not Cam and KB.   

You don't think so? I mean sure Shula played a huge part but that was more with the Running Backs than the WRs and we saw Cam struggle more with KB this season and really he has struggled with KB more than without him. Sure you could attribute that to the shoulder but what about after NE and all the seasons prior? (I consider after NE to be the game where his shoulder was like 90% good myself). I guess this is an area we don't agree in. It's not like he was flipped for a 7th rounder, we got decent value out of it.

[carpanfan96]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

And not terribly long thereafter, the cap went to s--t.

Talk up Hurney's cap management skills all you want.  Even accepting that premise, do you still seriously wanna try and say he's a more qualified talent evaluator than the other candidates?

no i won't say that. What I will say is that he taught Beane scouting and Beane was good enough for Gettleman to let him run the past few drafts himself. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

no i won't say that. What I will say is that he taught Beane scouting and Beane was good enough for Gettleman to let him run the past few drafts himself. 

I'm not convinced Beane is anything special yet.  We'll see.

But regardless, if Hurney is inferior as a talent evaluator to every other candidate on the list, why on earth would you hire him?

[frash.exe]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Beathard talking up Hurney isn't exactly a shock.

It's also from Beathard that Hurney picked up the practice of trading future first rounders.

but but but he helped build a superbowl losing chargers team that nobody remembers

[Jon Snow]

Just now, bewonee said:

You don't think so? I mean sure Shula played a huge part but that was more with the Running Backs than the WRs and we saw Cam struggle more with KB this season and really he has struggled with KB more than without him. Sure you could attribute that to the shoulder but what about after NE and all the seasons prior? (I consider after NE to be the game where his shoulder was like 90% good myself). I guess this is an area we don't agree in. It's not like he was flipped for a 7th rounder, we got decent value out of it.

It was a bad move because we needed him as depth at the very least.  That is a proven fact.  There was no need to move him when they did.  Before the season or after? Sure, got no problem with that.   It just proves that Hurney and Ron are throwing poo at the wall to see what sticks.  

[SOJA]

12 hours ago, top dawg said:

That's what some people will have you believe, regardless, so carry on with the negativity or even misery if that's what makes you tick---what floats your boat.    

 

 

 

This is some all or none thinking right here

 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

but but but he helped build a superbowl losing chargers team that nobody remembers

Also helped organize the scouting department that drafted (and traded up for) Ryan Leaf.

You can say it's not valid to blame Hurney for that, to which I'd say Hurney deserves as much credit for drafting Ryan Leaf as he does Steve Smith.

[bewonee]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It was a bad move because we needed him as depth at the very least.  That is a proven fact.  There was no need to move him when they did.  Before the season or after? Sure, got no problem with that.   It just proves that Hurney and Ron are throwing poo at the wall to see what sticks.  

Well at the end of the day it stuck. Keep in mind we still had healthy Samuel (who looked good for for a few games) and obviously the intent was to have him play at #2 but he got injured. Then Byrd stepped up as well and.. also got injured. 

[Palmetto]

14 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

but but but he helped build a superbowl losing chargers team that nobody remembers

That and 

• Miami Dolphins (1972–1977)
  Director of player personnel
• Washington Redskins (1978–1989)
  General manager
• I mean thats 4 super bowl wins and 2 losses not bad
•  

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Palmetto said:

That and 

• Miami Dolphins (1972–1977)
  Director of player personnel
• Washington Redskins (1978–1989)
  General manager
• I mean thats 4 super bowl wins and 2 losses not bad

Pretty sure he's talking about Hurney, not Beathard.

Beathard is arguably one of the best GMs in league history, but his career did not end well.  And his achievements don't transfer to Marty.

 

[frash.exe]

i was talking about hurney, unless palmetto wants to attribute all those credentials to him. i mean everybody on here showers hurney with credit he probably doesn’t deserve anyway.