What's Hurney thinking about? A few general answers

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's basically saying, "This guy has a horrible track record, but we'll keep him over two more qualified candidates because he's worked here before."

Would you keep Brentson Bersin rather than signing a guy like Allen Robinson because Bersin knows the system?

That's the same logic you're using here.

Not what I said at all. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

The fact of the matter is this team has not drafted well the last couple years and it showed the most this season. Absolutely poo at skill positions on both sides of the ball and even the lineman are questionable. I live in the now, and right now i dont think i would have been able to handle seeing gettleman orchestrate another draft for this team. I would rather take my chances with hurney while we figure out who is gonna own this team later on. 

We're not choosing between Hurney and Gettleman.

We're choosing between Hurney and three candidates who all have better resumes than him.

Why would you "take your chances with Hurney" when you have three better options?

[top dawg]

Brenton Bersin is what he is. A substantial part of his job is physical and as such he is constrained by physical limitations. He could have better overall knowledge of what's going on,  but when you balance it all out,  a more physically gifted receiver may be the better fit and check more boxes. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Part of learning is knowing when to get out of the way,  and get out of your own way.  As has been said a couple if times now, Hurney isn't in a vacuum.  Contrary to popular belief,  he has some great people surrounding him,  including scouts.  Perhaps he'll give more thought and importance to their expert advice as far as the particulars. He is certainly more thoughtful about his approach to problem solving and team building. 

Hurney had people surrounding him before too. Didn't matter, and still doesn't address why you take him over the other candidates.

The only thing that Hurney has that the other three don't is experience as an actual GM, but his experience wasn't good.

I'll take somebody who's shown a strong aptitude for a job they haven't done before over somebody who's already proven he's bad at that job ten times out of ten.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Brenton Bersin is what he is. A substantial part of his job is physical and as such he is constrained by physical limitations. He could have better overall knowledge of what's going on,  but when you balance it all out,  a more physically gifted receiver may be the better fit and check more boxes. 

But Bersin is in a "unique position" to know the Panthers.

Hurney may have more inside knowledge over what's going on with the Panthers right now then an outside candidate, but somebody who's better at talent evaluation and personnel administration is going to be a better fit and check more boxes.

[top dawg]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney had people surrounding him before too. Didn't matter, and still doesn't address why you take him over the other candidates.

The only thing that Hurney has that the other three don't is experience as an actual GM, but his experience wasn't good.

I'll take somebody who's shown a strong aptitude for a job they haven't done before over somebody who's already proven he's bad at that job ten times out of ten.

Hurney's experience as a GM was decidedly middling.  It wasn't nearly as bad as you're always crowing about.  It certainly could have been a whole lot better,  but it was hardly the worst.  

[Ricky Spanish]

6 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

So gettlemans gets a pass simply because he had to pick further down in the draft compared to Hurney??........Bullshit

He doesn't get a "pass". He still drafted guys that were decent in Star, KB, Shaq, and Butler.  I'm just saying it's a lot harder to draft later than it is earlier.

Take a look at NE and who they've drafted in the first. They are always in the playoffs and constantly drafting in the late 20's. They don't draft the best first rounders, they find the value in the mid rounds and bring in FAs who fit their system. 

 

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

But Bersin is in a "unique position" to know the Panthers.

Hurney may have more inside knowledge over what's going on with the Panthers right now then an outside candidate, but somebody who's better at talent evaluation and personnel administration is going to be a better fit and check more boxes.

Are these guys really better at overall talent evaluation and personnel administration,  or are they just different? 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Hurney's experience as a GM was decidedly middling.  It wasn't nearly as bad as you're always crowing about.  It certainly could have been a whole lot better,  but it was hardly the worst.  

Three good seasons out of eleven is not "middling". It's terrible.

[Lumps]

Uh...Hurney’s ‘patience’ is what fuged this franchise over....dragging things out forever until it was punch yourself in the dick obvious poo needed to change.

Hurney is NOT the best candidate for the job. He’s a fuging journalist, not a GM. Isn’t it evident by having ZERO interest from any other team except somehow the Panthers?

Obviously JR has a hard on for him and fug that. I feel like everything this creep geriatric owner and incompetent GM does from now until a new owner should be watched very closely and every damn thing should have a clause *null if new owner sees fit* because if they want, they can fug this franchise royally on their way out with BS contracts etc.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Are these guys really better at overall talent evaluation and personnel administration,  or are they just different? 

Okay Dawg, now you're not even trying. You're just deflecting.

Let's put it this way: Bring in an outside consultant (like the Panthers should have) to make the choice. Do you honestly believe somebody objective would give Marty Hurney a GM job over somebody like Jimmy Raye?

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Three good seasons out of eleven is not "middling". It's terrible.

And how many seasons does a meddling,  cheap skate, "family" pushing curmudgeon of an owner get credit for? 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

But according to most on here Gettlemen was a terrible GM?  Now you're telling me that our current GM (and former terrible GM) learned from his mistakes by copying what our previous terrible GM did?   By that logic it is going to be an epic failure.

For what it is worth I expect Gettleman has learned from his mistakes or at least moved to a part of the country where being rude and getting into.pissing contests is considered laudable instead of problematic.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, top dawg said:

And how many seasons does a meddling,  cheap skate, "family" pushing curmudgeon of an owner get credit for? 

All of them. Which is why you don't trust his hiring choices.

Hurney is one of those.

On the flipside, Lake Dawson was a suggestion given to us by someone who knew what he was doing.

Which of those two guys do you trust more: the guy picked by Ernie Accorsi or the guy picked by Jerry Richardson?