Historically, Panthers near bottom of total number of picks

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That's rich coming from someone who has continually downplayed Rivera to the point of starting threads about his successors, while simultaneously just recklessly (in my opinion) disregarding Rivera's extremely trying circumstances. 

I don't  give Ron ALL the credit for anything,  just most of it.  I am calling it as I see it.  You think I don't know that it takes a team to win from the top on down?  That is an undeniable truth,  but there are reasons for success and/or failure,  and most people have their thoughts about which part of the team is doing better than others---which parts are strengths and which parts are weaknesses.  And when things don't go as planned to the good, different amounts of blame go around.  That's just human. 

When Ron took this team over it was a hot mess.  And,  sure,  some of it was Hurney,  if not most of it (though we could argue about JR), but Rivera showed progress and promise despite dealing with that.  By the time he and Rivera could have developed a meaningful working relationship,  complete with an appreciable body of work together,  Hurney was gone.  So how you make the determination that they won't (or wouldn't) be a good tandem is beyond me.  In my opinion,  there hasn't been enough time to draw such a conclusion.  As such, I see it more about "hating" Hurney and refusing to give the man a second chance---any chance in Hell,  really (which is fine),  but just own up to it. 

Rivera has actually been in danger I'm more than one occasion. Igo can tell you that.

I'm happy for Rivera that he finally let go of guys that were holding him back. That's a good sign.

Unfortunately, it comes at a time when he's stuck with a subpar GM, so who knows how much it'll mean? It's still a positive, of course.

And no, I don't hateHurney. Being bad at your job is not a reason to hate you. It is, however, a reason to hope that you'll be replaced.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Mother Grabber said:

so, i take it that this thread is no longer about statistical analysis of draft picks, but rather about slinging grade school insults at each other. :thumbsup:

You're a poo poo head 

[top dawg]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, I'd say a good way to gauge who gets emotional about this stuff would be to take notice of who refers to names like "Gettlegod" or "Gettledouche".

Those are pretty good indicators that somebody's not being entirely rational in their argument.

I'm sure that in your fantasy world,  that referring to Gettleman as "Gettlegod" is being overly emotional and disqualifies someone's argument from being rational (as opposed to just being facetious). No,  that can't possibly be,  because everyone that disagrees with you is living in a fantasy world. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I'm sure that in your fantasy world,  that referring to Gettleman as "Gettlegod" is being overly emotional and disqualifies someone's argument from being rational (as opposed to just being facetious). No,  that can't possibly be,  because everyone that disagrees with you is living in a fantasy world. 

Not everyone. Just you.

And yes, saying things like that isn't exactly mature.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rivera has actually been in danger I'm more than one occasion. Igo can tell you that.

I'm happy for Rivera that he finally let go of guys that were holding him back. That's a good sign.

Unfortunately, it comes at a time when he's stuck with a subpar GM, so who knows how much it'll mean? It's still a positive, of course.

Yeah,  he's been in danger by the very guy that made his situation exponentially more difficult, and/or a meddlesome owner. 

He's actually been a two-time COTY also. 

I totally agree with you about being happy about him trimming the fat.  I guess you're being genuine about it. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yeah,  he's been in danger by the very guy that made his situation exponentially more difficult, and/or a meddlesome owner. 

He's actually been a two-time COTY also. 

I totally agree with you about being happy about him trimming the fat.  I guess you're being genuine about it. 

I've said repeatedly that Rivera is as as nice a guy as you could find and I really want him to succeed.

Hurney is by all accounts a good guy too. He just isn't very good at being a GM. That he replaced someone who actually was and was kept over three other people who were better qualified is tragic.

That's not grounds for hate.  I wish no ill on either man, but one of them is doing a job that he isn't qualified for. That's a situation that should be fixed.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not everyone. Just you.

And yes, saying things like that isn't exactly mature.

You started the argument with me with your "mature" modus operandi,  complete with what was essentially a bald-faced or bold-faced, whichever you prefer)  lie,  so you can cut the patronizing attitude. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, top dawg said:

You started the argument with me with your "mature" modus operandi,  complete with what was essentially a bald-faced or bold-faced, whichever you prefer)  lie,  so you can cut the patronizing attitude. 

Not really.

I've based my arguments here on facts like team performance. I've pointed out that it takes two to run a team. I've given credit to Ron Rivera for the job that he's done, and more.

Your default response to all of these things is "you just love Gettlegod".

If you think that sounds mature on your part, well...

[top dawg]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Not really.

I've based my arguments here on facts like team performance. I've pointed out that it takes two to run a team. I've given credit to Ron Rivera for the job that he's done, and more.

Your default response to all of these things is "you just love Gettlegod".

If you think that sounds mature on your part, well...

Oh,  conveniently disregard your post,  ostensibly answering a question for me. 

You're as much a piece of work as anyone on here. 

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Oh,  conveniently disregard your post,  ostensibly answering a question for me. 

You're as much a piece of work as anyone on here. 

Here's a simple challenge.

Show me how using terms like Gettlegod, Gettledouche or whatever else contributes to a mature, fact based debate.

I've made no such disparaging statements about Marty Hurney. My complaint about him has always been that he's not very good at what he does. I think it's been a huge mistake on Jerry Richardson's part to favour him over people who could or have done a better job for silly reasons.

But never at any point have I resorted to anything so childish as calling him a name, whereas hat's been one of your more prominent tactics.

Justify how the name calling shows maturity and/or makes for valid debate.

If you can't, then what gives you the standing to call out anyone else?

[Saca312]

40 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That's rich coming from someone who has continually downplayed Rivera to the point of starting threads about his successors, while simultaneously just recklessly (in my opinion) disregarding Rivera's extremely trying circumstances. 

huh.

rivera has cam and luke kuechly. cam has literally been saving rivera's butt for the past 7 years despite rivera's poor clock management, archaic approach to football, and 1985 mindset that hampers the total potential of Cam.

 

[Saca312]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Oh, I guess it's to play you Gettleman worshippers like a Stradivarius.  Perhaps it's a Pavlovian experiment.

Lol.

Coming from the Landry cult spokeperson himself this is rich. 

[top dawg]

48 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's a simple challenge.

Show me how using terms like Gettlegod, Gettledouche or whatever else contributes to a mature, fact based debate.

I've made no such disparaging statements about Marty Hurney. My complaint about him has always been that he's not very good at what he does. I think it's been a huge mistake on Jerry Richardson's part to favour him over people who could or have done a better job for silly reasons.

But never at any point have I resorted to anything so childish as calling him a name, whereas hat's been one of your more prominent tactics.

Justify how the name calling shows maturity and/or makes for valid debate.

If you can't, then what gives you the standing to call out anyone else?

I have a right to call you out for lying and/or showing disrespect toward fellow Huddlers.  

I'm pretty sure Gettleman has never been on this forum,  so his feelings about "Gettlegod" which can't even really be equated to "Gettledouche" (which I have never used)  aren't really a real point of contention. 

in short,  you're  trying to make something out of nothing. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I have a right to call you out for lying and/or showing disrespect toward fellow Huddlers.  

I'm pretty sure Gettleman has never been on this forum,  so his feelings about "Gettlegod" which can't even really be equated to "Gettledouche" (which I have never used)  aren't really a real point of contention. 

So no, you can't.

"Gettleman doesn't come to this forum?" Really?

Want respect? Make a better argument and don't resort to stuff that makes you sound like a twelve year old.