Hurney will not shoot fireworks next Thursday.

[saints4lifeagain]

3 hours ago, stirs said:

Landry is barely bigger than Luke

He is a 34 OLB

I can name a handful of guys that were the same weight their rookie year and had immediate success. All of them, like Landry, had fantastic dip and bend. Unreal athletes. Landry, imo, has rhe potential to be the best pass rusher out of this draft. 

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

So, I see you're in the ranks of the few that are perhaps severely underrating Ridley. Dude really could be a better version of Amari Cooper after all is said and done.

I don't think the two are even remotely similar. He's an inch shorter than Cooper and 20 pounds lighter. Smaller hands. Smaller vertical. Slower 3 cone. Slower 20 yard shuttle. 

He's not anywhere near the athlete that Cooper was coming out, and you can see that on the field. People have been so quick to annoint him next in line after Julio and Coop that they've almost ignored all the huge differences.

[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I can name a handful of guys that were the same weight their rookie year and had immediate success. All of them, like Landry, had fantastic dip and bend. Unreal athletes. Landry, imo, has rhe potential to be the best pass rusher out of this draft. 

I don't think the two are even remotely similar. He's an inch shorter than Cooper and 20 pounds lighter. Smaller hands. Smaller vertical. Slower 3 cone. Slower 20 yard shuttle. 

He's not anywhere near the athlete that Cooper was coming out, and you can see that on the field. People have been so quick to annoint him next in line after Julio and Coop that they've almost ignored all the huge differences.

I can't speak to the Julio thing because I haven't really heard it (not that I believe either is Julio-esque).

The obvious comparison stems from the fact that they are both good route runners, and Ridley could be a better one. Concise, crisp and clean route running can cover over a multitude of sins, especially in conjunction with speed and determination (which was arguably missing from Coop's game last season).

[Toomers]

24 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I can name a handful of guys that were the same weight their rookie year and had immediate success. All of them, like Landry, had fantastic dip and bend. Unreal athletes. Landry, imo, has rhe potential to be the best pass rusher out of this draft. 

I don't think the two are even remotely similar. He's an inch shorter than Cooper and 20 pounds lighter. Smaller hands. Smaller vertical. Slower 3 cone. Slower 20 yard shuttle. 

He's not anywhere near the athlete that Cooper was coming out, and you can see that on the field. People have been so quick to annoint him next in line after Julio and Coop that they've almost ignored all the huge differences.

   I definitely “anointed” him then. But it was almost assumed he would get bigger and better. He used to seek out contact. 

[top dawg]

15 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   I definitely “anointed” him then. But it was almost assumed he would get bigger and better. He used to seek out contact. 

I know your concerns, and perhaps they have some merit. I haven't watched Ridley like that. But, you should clearly be able to see why NFL types are excited by his potential.  Don't get me wrong, I question his it-factor myself, and while I have a great suspicion that Moore will ultimately be better (because of that it-factor), I think that Ridley would be a nice, safe pick. And I for damned sure think he's a safer, if not outright better, option for us than Landry or Reid (and maybe even Alexander...certainly sexier and perhaps more compelling).

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16 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I can't speak to the Julio thing because I haven't really heard it (not that I believe either is Julio-esque).

The obvious comparison stems from the fact that they are both good route runners, and Ridley could be a better one. Concise, crisp and clean route running can cover over a multitude of sins, especially in conjunction with speed and determination (which was arguably missing from Coop's game last season).

I agree about route running, but I just don't see the similarities, outside of school. Ridley, imo, will be no more than a slot receiver in the NFL. He may be a damn good one, but I just don't see much more than that.

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I agree about route running, but I just don't see the similarities, outside of school. Ridley, imo, will be no more than a slot receiver in the NFL. He may be a damn good one, but I just don't see much more than that.

Wow! Slot receiver? I'm not buying that one, but, you know, we could use a "damn good" slot receiver...just saying.

[BigSyke]

23 hours ago, Catufb85 said:

23 hours ago, WOW!! said:

If he trades up for Moore and give away a pick to get a WR in this draft .. I will literally throw something at the TV ..

 

Moore is overrated for a 1st rounder

[Toomers]

58 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I know your concerns, and perhaps they have some merit. I haven't watched Ridley like that. But, you should clearly be able to see why NFL types are excited by his potential.  Don't get me wrong, I question his it-factor myself, and while I have a great suspicion that Moore will ultimately be better (because of that it-factor), I think that Ridley would be a nice, safe pick. And I for damned sure think he's a safer, if not outright better, option for us than Landry or Reid (and maybe even Alexander...certainly sexier and perhaps more compelling).

 Not saying he isn’t good. Just believe he has limitations that place his ceiling much lower than Cooper. Of course, that’s why Cooper was a top 5 pick. And there were signs at Bama of a problem with drops but he did everything else great so it was overlooked. I sure did. Ridley lacks the athletic makeup to overcome what is a similar problem with drops. 

 Besides Moore, I don’t see a big difference in the top 10 at WR. 

  

[Growl]

Ridley is the best WR prospect in this class bar none. I hope teams are stupid enough to let him fall to us.

[Growl]

Furthermore Ridley is exactly the kind of player at the position we've been looking for while we've tried every cute, oversimplified gimmick that NFL professionals really have no excuse for falling into.

 

"Cam throws high so = get tall guy, wow so easy!"

"wow Dave you're so analytical."

[saints4lifeagain]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Wow! Slot receiver? I'm not buying that one, but, you know, we could use a "damn good" slot receiver...just saying.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Just not huge on him and I watch a lot of SEC football. 

[Thompcat]

It is going to be interesting to see if any philosophical differences in the way that the Panthers look at the importance of the secondary. Gettleman/Riviera  put all it all on the front 7 for pressure and fill in with older players. Hurney/Riviera, I hope look at  it more balanced. If they do a CB will be taken in the 1st  and a safety in the first  4  picks.

That's why I agree and don't think it will be any fireworks going off. If the emphasis is not to be balanced and go the old way, I can see Landry being taken to help the front 7. 

What I would like is in the 1st take Jackson, Alexander or Oliver. In the 2nd take Chubb, and then in 3rd take Miller and Bates. Don't know if they would be available but I think that would be a good start. In the 5th its got to be G that we could get.. Later get a backup Qb and find that sleeper DE

 

 

 

 

 

[top dawg]

12 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Just not huge on him and I watch a lot of SEC football. 

I understand, but I'm not necessarily huge on any of our presumed likely targets at 24, so then I default to how safe a pick is and/or how much upside they have. At the end of the day, I believe that if one of three WRs are available---including Ridley---that they will be more compelling picks than other positions that we could pick up later.

Admittedly, I could be letting my desperation for a receiver get the best of me.

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, Thompcat said:

What I would like is in the 1st take Jackson, Alexander or Oliver. In the 2nd take Chubb, and then in 3rd take Miller and Bates. Don't know if they would be available but I think that would be a good start. In the 5th its got to be G that we could get.. Later get a backup Qb and find that sleeper DE

I wouldn't cry if it turned out something like this, but then again I wouldn't cry with many scenarios.

If we were to get Moore in the first, Hughes in the second, and Penny in the third, I'd be ecstatic. I almost wouldn't care about the other picks (not really). LOL