Cam IS on the hot seat!

[TheRed]

Ahh yes, the ol' "run first" tropes 

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

Yeah but you make it sound like he takes off to run any chance he gets. Like mike Vick. That’s not true. There have been numerous stats to back that up on here over the years. At one point he was one of the best passers against the blitz. Last year was a bit of an anomaly for him and running because we didn’t have adequate receivers. Cam needs to be more consistent passing for sure but that goes hand in hand with receiver play. I’m very excited to see what he can do with the weapons we’ve brought in. 

No I don't think he runs at any chance. But I do think he still runs too much putting himself at risk and being too predictable for defenses. You apologists are the ones always looking for the slight.  You can't even discuss legitimate concerns anymore without a half dozen people getting up in arms and making accusations or calling you a hater.

[TheRumGone]

32 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

No I don't think he runs at any chance. But I do think he still runs too much putting himself at risk and being too predictable for defenses. You apologists are the ones always looking for the slight.  You can't even discuss legitimate concerns anymore without a half dozen people getting up in arms and making accusations or calling you a hater.

You literally said “he thinks run first” 

and then you apparently didn’t read the rest of my post when I said Cam needs to be more consistent. I’m not an apologist I just don’t make poo up.

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

You literally said “he thinks run first” 

and then you apparently didn’t read the rest of my post saying Cam needs to be more consistent. I’m not an apologist I just don’t make poo up.

I actually wasn't thinking of you when I said apologist but the next 5 guys who weigh in and we know who they are. My context was that he looks to run first when he is under pressure and being blitzed and yeah I think that is true. I don't think he is as bad as Vick but he is still too ready to run  when he could dump the ball off or throw it away. If you watched him you know exactly what I mean.

[TheRed]

Yeah guys, because nothing says "run first QB" like entering the NFL and immediately proceeding to break rookie passing records.

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Yeah guys, because nothing says "run first QB" like entering the NFL and immediately proceeding to break rookie passing records

Apologist number 1 right on schedule.

[TheRed]

How can someone with a functioning brain complain about Cam Newton "running too much" after watching our RB's barely muster 3 yards a carry last year? And this after investing a top 10 pick in the running game.

What was the other option? Another losing season?

[panthers55]

14 minutes ago, TheRed said:

How can someone with a functioning brain complain about Cam Newton "running too much" after watching our RB's barely muster 3 yards a carry last year? And this after investing a top 10 pick in the running game.

What was the other option? Another losing season?

Again you take everything out of context. I said he runs too much when he is under pressure and he does. Teams learned to hold our receivers on the line and blitz 5 or 6. Instead of dumping.it off or getting rid of it,,Cam often looked to run and make a play rather than throw the ball to the spot vacated by the blitzer where the receiver should be wide open. Try to keep up.

[TheRed]

27 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again you take everything out of context. I said he runs too much when he is under pressure and he does. Teams learned to hold our receivers on the line and blitz 5 or 6. Instead of dumping.it off or getting rid of it,,Cam often looked to run and make a play rather than throw the ball to the spot vacated by the blitzer where the receiver should be wide open. Try to keep up.

You've gone from labeling Newton a "running quarterback who throws", to complaining about how he thinks "run first", to now moving on to even complaining about him scrambling within the pocket. It sounds like the issue is you just don't know what the hell you're actually talking about, and you clearly have an axe to grind. Quit while you're behind dude.

[panthers55]

5 hours ago, TheRed said:

You've gone from labeling Newton a "running quarterback who throws", to complaining about how he thinks "run first", to now moving on to even complaining about him scrambling within the pocket. It sounds like the issue is you just don't know what the hell you're actually talking about, and you clearly have an axe to grind. Quit while you're behind dude.

Not even close. We were talking about Cam and what transition he needs to make. If you follow the conversation instead of looking for a slight to your idol you wouldn't be always exaggerating everything and responding as you do. You are the one who needs to quit being so thin skinned about Cam and transparent in your points. It takes away what little if any credibility you may have had.

[LinvilleGorge]

I honestly think Cam is too hellbent on actually passing the ball when we run passing plays. Cam very rarely scrambles these days except for trying to buy time to throw. The vast majority of his rushing yardage comes on called runs. If he’d actually scramble more often it would make him harder to blitz. Teams blitz us relentlessly because they know Cam will hold onto the ball trying to buy time to find a receiver instead of bailing and running.

[panthers55]

41 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly think Cam is too hellbent on actually passing the ball when we run passing plays. Cam very rarely scrambles these days except for trying to buy time to throw. The vast majority of his rushing yardage comes on called runs.

The majority of his yards are likely due to designed plays.  And if he is passing more that is good instead of running. But he still takes too many sacks when he could simply throw it away or dump it off. As for not running enough aren't you one of those who wants to keep him running  which in my mind will prematurely end his career.

And if you thought he threw too much under Shula you are going to hate Norv whose job is to have Cam throw even more and use high percentage easy completions letting everyone else do the work instead of doing it all himself.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

The majority of his yards are likely due to designed plays.  And if he is passing more that is good instead of running. But he still takes too many sacks when he could simply throw it away or dump it off. As for not running enough aren't you one of those who wants to keep him running  which in my mind will prematurely end his career.

And if you thought he threw too much under Shula you are going to hate Norv whose job is to have Cam throw even more and use high percentage easy completions letting everyone else do the work instead of doing it all himself.

I think we have to let Cam be Cam and that means letting him run. I’d be all for fewer called runs though. When I say Cam doesn’t run enough I’m specifically talking about scrambling. Cam rarely scrambles anymore and it leads to more sacks because he’s buying time to try to throw. I don’t want him to be a one read and bolt QB like Vick was, but three reads and bolt might be a good idea especially if the OL isn’t any better.

[Mage]

What are some of you guys talking about?  If anything, Cam’s issue is he forces the pass rather than take the easy yards on the ground.  He doesn’t take off and scramble nearly that much.