LaDainian Tomlinson on the Panthers offense

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

9 minutes ago, rbsponsel52 said:

There was no tipped pass and Cam had his arm hit when he tried to pass the ball and it went wrong direction.

Bruh, the pass was effected before he threw the ball, not a bad throw or decision. Semantics man...

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, JARROD said:

That’s what I mean— people say things like, timing isn’t his skill set, or he’s not a red zone guy or he’s not this or that,

all hyperbole, rooted in fantasy and skin color.

that comes from the signal callers as well,..

bringing in an old fart like Norv or weirdos like Mike Shula, not replacing Chud with another innovative young minded Chud is why Cam has these fantasy views of what he is or isn’t.

 

LaDainian Tomlinson's analysis is based on skin color?

[LinvilleGorge]

Good coaches can take players ideally suited to their system and field a great team. Great coaches can adapt their system to fit the strengths of their players. You don't try to take a square peg and force it into a round hole because damn it that's what we do here, you make a square hole

That is all.

[Silent Majority]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

LaDainian Tomlinson's analysis is based on skin color?

C'mon now. Don't do that. You know he was stating general perception. As for LT he is a hater. A weirdo who couches his disdain in trying to sound intellectual. He is just another talking head and not the only one who played under Norv.

[Mr. Scot]

20 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

C'mon now. Don't do that. You know he was stating general perception. As for LT he is a hater. A weirdo who couches his disdain in trying to sound intellectual. He is just another talking head and not the only one who played under Norv.

Again, Tomlinson's analysis isn't an insult. It's a description of a characteristic. And not one that's tied to a particular race, either. Roethlisberger also isn't a timing-rhythm QB, and there are plenty of other examples.

[Mr. Scot]

32 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Good coaches can take players ideally suited to their system and field a great team. Great coaches can adapt their system to fit the strengths of their players. You don't try to take a square peg and force it into a round hole because damn it that's what we do here, you make a square hole

That is all.

Belichick is honestly the only guy I know who can consistently adapt his system.

Most teams look for guys who fit their system. The Steelers are darn near obsessive about it (which makes me wonder if we will be down the road).

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Belichick is honestly the only guy I know who can consistently adapt his system.

Most teams look for guys who fit their system. The Steelers are darn near obsessive about it (which makes me wonder if we will be down the road).

Different sport and totally off topic, but I thought Roy Williams did one of his finest coaching jobs last season. His basketball team have always been built to play off of feeding the post. Play from the inside out. Last year he still put a very good team on the court despite having a completely perimeter oriented approach because there wasn't a viable offensive post option on the roster.

[Mr. Scot]

While I'm at it, a comment about coaches and systems...

I've heard the whole "no pure system" discussion before. It's kind of a pseudo-intellectual argument. It's not like there ever was an official Coryell handbook or anything of that sort.

Every system is a set of rules with its own concepts, emphases and nuances. Coaches coach within those systems. Some are better at it than others but each has their own take.

So while Turner, for example, operates within the rules of the Coryell offense, it's the Norv Turner system but built on a foundation of Coryell principles.

Saying there's no pure system just because different coaches go about it their own way is like saying there's no such thing as a horror genre because Stephen King and Dean Koontz have different writing styles.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Different sport and totally off topic, but I thought Roy Williams did one of his finest coaching jobs last season. His basketball team have always been built to play off of feeding the post. Play from the inside out. Last year he still put a very good team on the court despite having a completely perimeter oriented approach because there wasn't a viable offensive post option on the roster.

I'll take your word for it. What I know about basketball wouldn't fill an index card

[Silent Majority]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, Tomlinson's analysis isn't an insult. It's a description of a characteristic. And not one that's tied to a particular race, either. Roethlisberger also isn't a timing-rhythm QB, and there are plenty of other examples.

Thats not what I was trying to convey. I was saying don't confuse the two in regards to quite a few shots at Cam stemming from a stereotypical place, as an overall point, I believe the poster was making. As far as an insult from LT I didnt view the clip so in this instance I cant make an educated comment about his intent. My general view and statement about him is from his past comments on Cam. No ill intent to you. I actually enjoy a lot of your perspective.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

Thats not what I was trying to convey. I was saying don't confuse the two in regards to quite a few shots at Cam stemming from a stereotypical place, as an overall point, I believe the poster was making. As far as an insult from LT I didnt view the clip so in this instance I cant make an educated comment about his intent. My general view and statement about him is from his past comments on Cam. No ill intent to you. I actually enjoy a lot of your perspective.

I can't speak for everybody, but I don't evaluate Newton any different than I do anyone else. The quarterback I most commonly compare him to is Brett Favre, not Michael Vick. Frankly, comparing Newton to Vick makes me think somebody doesn't know football very well.

I think the honest problem a lot of the time is most people don't go deep enough when they evaluate players. You end up with only a shallow opinion of either "he's great" or "he's bad". It's way deeper than that.

People talk about Tom Brady like he's perfect. He's far from it. Ditto Brees, Peyton, Rodgers, etc. They all have defined skill sets. They all have ideal systems. They all have flaws. They all have bad games.

Heck, stick Joe Montana in a Coryell and he's probably remembered as an average quarterback at best.

Systems matter, and so do system fits.

[The4ManRush]

Interesting. I did kind of wonder why this hasn't looked like your classic Norv Turner offense. It's still early though. 

[JARROD]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Belichick is honestly the only guy I know who can consistently adapt his system.

Most teams look for guys who fit their system. The Steelers are darn near obsessive about it (which makes me wonder if we will be down the road).

Did you read the article, which was thoroughly researched on their part, about the system adaptation of each team?

Probably not— people generally only read what confirms their bias,..but ignore what doesn’t.

If you had you would see that not one team in the league runs a true black and white system of any kind.

there are no pure Air Coryell, WCO or anything else for that matter— they all get shifted and changed, added to, evolved.

kind of like Mixed Martial arts— that guy studied Crane Technique Kungfu his whole life,.. was his roots,..

but added Greco Roman Wrestling concepts, and adapted to grabbing base ball bats because they hurt more,..

adaptation, improvisation.

its the basis of winning.

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Did you read the article, which was thoroughly researched on their part, about the system adaptation of each team?

Probably not— people generally only read what confirms their bias,..but ignore what doesn’t.

If you had you would see that not one team in the league runs a true black and white system of any kind.

there are no pure Air Coryell, WCO or anything else for that matter— they all get shifted and changed, added to, evolved.

kind of like Mixed Martial arts— that guy studied Crane Technique Kungfu his whole life,.. was his roots,..

but added Greco Roman Wrestling concepts, and adapted to grabbing base ball bats because they hurt more,..

adaptation, improvisation.

its the basis of winning.

Are you sure you read it, because it doesn't say what you think it does.

You linked an article that gives a quick blurb on each head coach's base philosophies and highlights a favorite play, then tried to make that say something it doesn't.

It's a fun read, but it's not trying to make a statement.