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Is this what we want the NFL to be?

Jmac

By Jmac,
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Tbe Grand Master

Tbe

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21 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Drew Bree’s has not had a defense in recent years and their team sucked until they drafted a running game and their defense has come together.

so what you say isn’t true— the saints are one of the most run heavy teams in the league and their defense is really coming together.

if you put those 2 factors with a HOF quarterback you have a complete team.

so again,.. what you say is totally wrong

I’m talking about this year and what the future looks like. Not past years.

So do you think it’s possible (given the new rules) to build a defense that can consistently hold the saints offense under 20 points?

Thats my question. Maybe there is, but it seems like that isn’t possible in this year’s NFL.

We’ll see how the bears do, but I tend to think the better offenses would still light them up. It still seems favored towards the offense which means it is favored towards the top tier QBs.

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57 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Nick Foles hasn’t been playing this year.

Yes, Cam has been good but how good have his deep passes been? Can Cam and co win a shootout vs Brees, Big Ben, etc. 

No, not consistently.

Cam (like so many other good QBs) needs a strong defense to be successful. We saw that in 2015. He cannot compete tit-for-tat with guys who can consistently thread the needle 60 yards at will.

That’s my point. There used to be many ways to wins. It now seems like there is only one way to win, and that way heavy favors the most accurate downfield QBs.

Dude, Cam beat Brees in a shootout in 2015. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KwJLUZ_UQ&feature=youtu.be

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Move the Panthers to Raleigh Grand Master

Move the Panthers to Raleigh

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17 hours ago, BionicBunny said:

I agree with your sentiment if this continues, it will become like basketball as Mike Florio from PFT  says, "there is no reason to watch a NBA game until the last 5 minutes of the game and unless its close, you can skip watching it"

Alas thats what is becoming of NFL.

Florio was right 

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