CMC was 2nd in the league with 62 broken tackles this year

[Lumps]

And did this on a 6-10 team lol

the people who think he wasn’t worth where he was drafted are complete idiots 

[Basbear]

3 hours ago, TheRed said:

I could be wrong on the specific game, but I remember watching it wondering how anyone else could keep playing after that. He's a tough motherfuger no doubt.

Regardless, the last 2 games he played in made it pretty clear he was dealing with something more than soreness. He shouldn't have been playing. I don't know the status of his shoulder here just like anyone else. But again, I'm not going to declare him halfway out the door like some are here. It's just two faced bullshit.

I thought I had figured out the play Cam got truly hurt on was. I thought it was against the Ravens, but it's not.(rewatched last night)

I remember the play better. I believe it close to the goal line 3rd down and Cam runs a sweep to the left, he lowered his shoulder and got blown up. It was earlier in the season and happened after the Ravens game.

[Factor/Back]

4 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i've never suggested otherwise. i have called him good on this forum and i'm fine with him continuing to start. he's an excellent complimentary piece. a luxury. but we're not going to win poo so long as we run our offense through him. 100+ catches with the depth he usually gets on his routes is not good. passing for (slightly) less than 7 yards per attempt is not good. his counting stats are the canary in the coal mine. our offense consistently struggled to score when mccaffrey was putting up his bigger performances (100+ yards twice in our 6 wins* and 100+ yards 8 times in our 9 losses). we're behind the curve, not ahead of it.

 

*i threw out the last win because he was benched early

If you want deeper passes downfield I agree with you but that's on the coaching staff , do you not think CMC routes  were in the area the coaches called for  ? Just quit with the pass catching back when if he got the carries of Elliott , Gurley or Barkley he would lead the league in rushing.

[Paa Langfart]

5 hours ago, TheRed said:

Why is it the "I'm a fan of the Carolina Panthers not one player" posts don't ever seem to show up when people are touting CMC's numbers in a losing season?

lol.  this guy never gives up with the innuendos.  

His head is going to explode if Cam's shoulder is truly shot and is done in Carolina.

[Lumps]

29 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

positional value matters.

p.s. i haven't forgotten the time you desperately tried to convince people that cam is gay. interesting to see the types attracted to this thread. hmm

I say it all the time I think Elliot OBJ and Cam are gay. There’s not any negative connotation to being gay for me so I’m open to saying that. Just my opinion and it doesn’t matter as much as you think. And I’m not trying to convince anyone, people can think what they want. Move on.

Lattimore and the tackle from the Saints Ramzyx (?) are the only players taken after cmc in the first round (not counting Watson as we have a qb) that could’ve helped this team. But I don’t think they’d help this specific team, the panthers, more than cmc has.

cmc is a playmaker that that matters. He causes mismatches and serves many positions and demands attention wherever he plays and without him this offense would be straight garbage since no one can throw to dj right now. Adding his abilities with a qb like cam is a good fit.

For the Panthers he was well worth the pick they spent on him and even considering hindsight there wasn’t an option that you could say was going to help this team more.

[rico6]

4 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

He has had a combined 25 the past two seasons in which the Panthers have had to rest his shoulder during the week so he could play on game day.

 

From the first link. 25 completions over 25 yards the last two seasons. 32 in rookie season, 25 in 2015... ext. 

 

Then we can go here

 

9.6% of throws went over 20 yards in 2017, lowest of his career. 15 completions over 20 yards. Compare that to 2016 when Cam was the 4th most accurate qb on throws over 5 yards. Compare that to his other seasons when he was near the top in the NFL in completions over 20 yards.

 

All the evidence is there. 

Question, with no Ted Ginn who in the flying fug was Cam going to “sling the deep pass” to anyways? The entire premise of your argument just fails. 

Cam’s deep ball numbers are average because of the SEVERE lack of talent on this team.

But I’m sure Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Rodgers would have made the best tasting chicken salad with the absolute chicken poo that’s been thrown out on gamedays by this football club.

 

[Factor/Back]

6 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i got tagged into this thread by morons with an axe to grind but i've made my position on mccaffrey very clear. he's being misused, we're wasting his best assets, he has more value as a receiver because the position is more valuable, and the offense is limited when it's being run through a pass catching running back.

some people are a bit too invested in christian mccaffrey the running back to see this. they're reacting very defensively to what's really a pretty complimentary take on him.

I think he has value rushing or receiving the ball the same. You want him to catch the ball more downfield line him up in the backfield in your base offense were he can still carry the ball and when you go to 10 personnel put him in the slot , and bring in a bigger back for protection. I know College doesn't always translate to the NFL  but he ran a lot of gap scheme , Iso and inside zone plays behind a FB. When posters say we lose because CMC has stats would they have said the same thing about Barry Sanders , Larry Fitzgerald , Fran Gore, Calvin Johnson, George Kittle etc. The check downs is that CMC fault or CAM who dumped it off to him. Me I don't have a problem with CAM or CMC play this year, just thankful we have both. , I just want to upgrade the line into a top 10 group which might help CAM throw downfield and open more holes for CMC in the run game.

[rico6]

17 minutes ago, Lumps said:

I say it all the time I think Elliot OBJ and Cam are gay. There’s not any negative connotation to being gay for me so I’m open to saying that. Just my opinion and it doesn’t matter as much as you think. And I’m not trying to convince anyone, people can think what they want. Move on.

 

Man wtf is this bullshit

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, rico6 said:

Question, with no Ted Ginn who in the flying fug was Cam going to “sling the deep pass” to anyways? The entire premise of your argument just fails. 

Cam’s deep ball numbers are average because of the SEVERE lack of talent on this team.

But I’m sure Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Rodgers would have made the best tasting chicken salad with the absolute chicken poo that’s been thrown out on gamedays by this football club.

 

His deep ball numbers aren't average, they are nearly dead last in the NFL. With out Ginn and before his shoulder died last year he was throwing 63% on deep throws over 15 yards then just fell off. it's not him not having Ginn it goes beyond that. They never really threw deep successfully this season...so no comparisons because the numbers are awful.  Sorry you cant see that. 

[rico6]

19 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

His deep ball numbers aren't average, they are nearly dead last in the NFL. With out Ginn and before his shoulder died last year he was throwing 63% on deep throws over 15 yards then just fell off. it's not him not having Ginn it goes beyond that. They never really threw deep successfully this season...so no comparisons because the numbers are awful.  Sorry you cant see that. 

Aside this season where the options for vertical passing is abundant, Cam unfortunately played with an injury limiting certain aspects of his passing. Besides this season and Ginn’s departure there were essentially no viable, consistent options for what you’re trying to slam him for.

 

[carpanfan96]

32 minutes ago, rico6 said:

Aside this season where the options for vertical passing is abundant, Cam unfortunately played with an injury limiting certain aspects of his passing. Besides this season and Ginn’s departure there were essentially no viable, consistent options for what you’re trying to slam him for.

 

See you take it as me slamming him and I'm not. It's not his fault his shoulder is having complications from his surgery. I blame that more on the team and its handling of his injury.