7th round pick, NFL minimum salary PK Harrison Butker

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Blind hate, or despising someone isn’t healthy. Give hurney enough rope and let him hang himself,if he hasn’t  truly learn anything. Thinking hurney 2017 is the same as Hurney 2011 is a logic fallacy some of you need to take a min a ponder over. With that logic guys like belechick(misspelling), Jared goff, Ted Ginn would never get a second chance because it would be believed that they haven’t evolved or changed, just a illogical viewpoint 

  Torrey Smith, Dontari Poe, and Greg Olsen’s contracts say otherwise. 

Maybe if one, just ONE team, would have called him for a job, it would be different. But it’s not. None of your examples spent 5 seasons doing AM radio with no calls from teams. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

15M is nitpicking? At what cost do we actually start worrying? All for an extra couple touchbacks a season? 

  I’ll choose evidence of continued incompetence. Same as 1.0

You love leaving out key facts, please tell the people at home how that 15m is saved per year and the number of years need to have saved that amount. You act as if that’s 15m in one year that would be saved, when in reality it’s 2-3 million a year, enough to sign half a draft class at most. Calculate the constant rising cap and this is really a non factor

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You love leaving out key facts, please tell the people at home how that 15m is saved per year and the number of years need to have saved that amount. You act as if that’s 15m in one year that would be saved, when in reality it’s 2-3 million a year, enough to sign half a draft class at most. Calculate the constant rising cap and this is really a non factor

Never once said that. But 3.75M/year can get you another level of player in FA. Or be used for depth or who knows, a backup QB? Think that would helped. Acting like it doesn’t matter is how we got into this mess before. 

   If 3.75 isn’t enough, how much is? How much is Marty allowed to throw away before you consider it a problem? 

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  Torrey Smith, Dontari Poe, and Greg Olsen’s contracts say otherwise. 

Maybe if one, just ONE team, would have called him for a job, it would be different. But it’s not. None of your examples spent 5 seasons doing AM radio with no calls from teams. 

What about Torrey Smith ? 5mil contract given to a vet WR in a market where Ryan grant was getting 8 mil a year? Please explain? Olsen will see how he returns from injury but if another occurs than yeah bad contract there. Poe not sure, juries out, Washington made everyone look bad on defense as a coordinator.

what does a team not calling him have anything to do with the guy not getting a second shot ? I mean literally for a guy who’s been doing radio shows for 5 years you’d think he’d come in here and pull a John gruden, but it’s the opposite, this makes my point you guys are constantly bring up the past as proof of what will happen i int the future, it’s illogical 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

What about Torrey Smith ? 5mil contract given to a vet WR in a market where Ryan grant was getting 8 mil a year? Please explain? Olsen will see how he returns from injury but if another occurs than yeah bad contract there. Poe not sure, juries out, Washington made everyone look bad on defense as a coordinator.

what does a team not calling him have anything to do with the guy not getting a second shot ? I mean literally for a guy who’s been doing radio shows for 5 years you’d think he’d come in here and pull a John gruden, but it’s the opposite, this makes my point you guys are constantly bring up the past as proof of what will happen i int the future, it’s illogical 

  5M for a 4/5th WR. There’s a reason the Eagles were going to cut him at that number. And no dead money. This was obvious.

  Olsen could just go to the booth and we are out 7.4M. 

 Poe is useless. 

  So what indicators are you using to predict the future. Hope? Magic? It’s not anything but that. Since we can’t reference  anything a person has ever done on the job. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Never once said that. But 3.75M/year can get you another level of player in FA. Or be used for depth or who knows, a backup QB? Think that would helped. Acting like it doesn’t matter is how we got into this mess before. 

   If 3.75 isn’t enough, how much is? How much is Marty allowed to throw away before you consider it a problem? 

That word throw away is the problem here, you still have gano on the team for whatever he’s worth.the backup QBs argument is funny to, it’s never been a priority since cam has been here, even with Derek andrerson on the team. I don’t see how that’s a problem now since it’s been neglected for years. To say gano is overpaid, yes but to say it’s a throw away of money is just ridiculous 

 

[MasterAwesome]

@Toomers @thefuzz

Lol you guys are really coming at me about contracts without reading the post that I quoted? 

@Mr. Scot - “Consistency is what matters when it comes to kickers. Gano is no longer consistent.”

I was addressing that nonsense about his consistency...he has missed literally 3 field goals in the past two seasons combined. Once I refuted that, now he’s moving the goal posts and saying “oh but he’s way more expensive”. I was simply refuting a singular inaccurate statement. Believe me, it’s well noted that Butker is cheaper...that’s factual, I’m not disputing that.

Butker has slightly outperformed Gano on XPs but Butker still was not good at them last year...he was ranked 21st among kickers vs. Gano being 26th. I’ll even say it’s a wash overall since Butker outperforms Gano statistically on XP and Gano outperforms Butker statistically on FGs, even though FGs are obviously more valuable. Then how in the world do you take that data and conclude that Butker is a very consistent kicker and Gano is terribly inconsistent? Mr. Scot is the perfect example of someone with a narrative who makes claims wholly inconsistent with statistical data.

And please...don’t make me laugh with this talk about using Gano’s career FG percentage. Please explain how the way he kicked 6 years ago with a different team should be considered in talking about if he is consistent today. I thought it was clear that I was obviously using the only two co-existing seasons between the two kickers we’re comparing when talking about their relative performance and consistency...but apparently not, I was just cherry-picking.

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  5M for a 4/5th WR. There’s a reason the Eagles were going to cut him at that number. And no dead money. This was obvious.

  Olsen could just go to the booth and we are out 7.4M. 

 Poe is useless. 

  So what indicators are you using to predict the future. Hope? Magic? It’s not anything but that. Since we can’t reference  anything a person has ever done on the job. 

Smith was the #2 WR until injury, and performed well until the young guys officially took over. Olsen, depends on what he does, Poe, again juries out. That’s my thing, I’m not trying to predict the future, I’m just waiting to see how things play out, judging someone off if past mistakes is just asinine. I trust the owner and I trust that if hurney has truly learned anything that he knows this offseason is his biggest, and if he messes up he’ll be doing radio shows for the rest of his career simple as that 

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

That word throw away is the problem here, you still have gano on the team for whatever he’s worth.the backup QBs argument is funny to, it’s never been a priority since cam has been here, even with Derek andrerson on the team. I don’t see how that’s a problem now since it’s been neglected for years. To say gano is overpaid, yes but to say it’s a throw away of money is just ridiculous 

 

That’s the Total divided by 4. And it’s the “difference”. And if you would get similar production for that amount less, all that money is gone. For what? Nothing. Just like throwing it away. How is it not wasting it? That’s the entire point of all of this. 

  He had two PKs similar enough to carry on the opening day roster, but chooses the one that costs 7X more. And doesn’t have 3 more cheap years attached.

[Cpt slay a ho]

8 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

@Toomers @thefuzz

Lol you guys are really coming at me about contracts without reading the post that I quoted? 

@Mr. Scot - “Consistency is what matters when it comes to kickers. Gano is no longer consistent.”

I was addressing that nonsense about his consistency...he has missed literally 3 field goals in the past two seasons combined. Once I refuted that, now he’s moving the goal posts and saying “oh but he’s way more expensive”. I was simply refuting a singular inaccurate statement. Believe me, it’s well noted that Butker is cheaper...that’s factual, I’m not disputing that.

Butker has slightly outperformed Gano on XPs but Butker still was not good at them last year...he was ranked 21st among kickers vs. Gano being 26th. I’ll even say it’s a wash overall since Butker outperforms Gano statistically on XP and Gano outperforms Butker statistically on FGs, even though FGs are obviously more valuable. Then how in the world do you take that data and conclude that Butker is a very consistent kicker and Gano is terribly inconsistent? Mr. Scot is the perfect example of someone with a narrative who makes claims wholly inconsistent with statistical data.

And please...don’t make me laugh with this talk about using Gano’s career FG percentage. Please explain how the way he kicked 6 years ago with a different team should be considered in talking about if he is consistent today. I thought it was clear that I was obviously using the only two co-existing seasons between the two kickers we’re comparing when talking about their relative performance and consistency...but apparently not, I was just cherry-picking.

Ether

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

@Toomers @thefuzz

Lol you guys are really coming at me about contracts without reading the post that I quoted? 

@Mr. Scot - “Consistency is what matters when it comes to kickers. Gano is no longer consistent.”

I was addressing that nonsense about his consistency...he has missed literally 3 field goals in the past two seasons combined. Once I refuted that, now he’s moving the goal posts and saying “oh but he’s way more expensive”. I was simply refuting a singular inaccurate statement. Believe me, it’s well noted that Butker is cheaper...that’s factual, I’m not disputing that.

Butker has slightly outperformed Gano on XPs but Butker still was not good at them last year...he was ranked 21st among kickers vs. Gano being 26th. I’ll even say it’s a wash overall since Butker outperforms Gano statistically on XP and Gano outperforms Butker statistically on FGs, even though FGs are obviously more valuable. Then how in the world do you take that data and conclude that Butker is a very consistent kicker and Gano is terribly inconsistent? Mr. Scot is the perfect example of someone with a narrative who makes claims wholly inconsistent with statistical data.

And please...don’t make me laugh with this talk about using Gano’s career FG percentage. Please explain how the way he kicked 6 years ago with a different team should be considered in talking about if he is consistent today. I thought it was clear that I was obviously using the only two co-existing seasons between the two kickers we’re comparing when talking about their relative performance and consistency...but apparently not, I was just cherry-picking.

Has anyone even tried to argue that one or the other is significantly better than the other. All I see are similar PKs with vastly different price tags. Which is the issue. Not if one is “slightly” better than the other.  

   Do you think this was a smart move? Now and then. 

[MasterAwesome]

To be clear, my stance is not that Gano > Butker and that I’m happy we went with Gano over him. I’d MUCH rather have Butker...simply taking into account their relative contracts and upside. Anyone who says they’d take Gano over Butker now, I’d have to question if they have some kind of agenda or bias.

What I’m saying is that given the circumstances at the time (the beginning of the 2017 season), it would not make sense to cut Gano and hand Butker the starting job when he hadn’t done anything to earn it or show that he was a sure-thing NFL talent. Remember that we started the season with both kickers on the active roster so it’s not like we gave up on Butker, we just hadn’t seen enough from him to move forward with naming him our starter. Where I DO fault our management/coaching is with how sparingly they gave Butker opportunities to compete for that starting job. It looked like they were just giving him a little more time to groom him or ease him into the role as our potential starter, but unfortunately KC snagged him due to an injury to their own kicker. But yes, as I’ve said, I blame Rivera and Hurney for not giving Butker more opportunities and then leaving him vulnerable to getting snagged by another team via demoting him to the practice squad.

This implication that Gano is trash and Butker is GOD is nonsense though and statistics show that they are very comparable in their performances. The contracts and upside (i.e. their future longevity in the league) is what makes Butker the clear winner.

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Smith was the #2 WR until injury, and performed well until the young guys officially took over. Olsen, depends on what he does, Poe, again juries out. That’s my thing, I’m not trying to predict the future, I’m just waiting to see how things play out, judging someone off if past mistakes is just asinine. I trust the owner and I trust that if hurney has truly learned anything that he knows this offseason is his biggest, and if he messes up he’ll be doing radio shows for the rest of his career simple as that 

So Hope and Magic? Cool.

[Cpt slay a ho]

7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

That’s the Total divided by 4. And it’s the “difference”. And if you would get similar production for that amount less, all that money is gone. For what? Nothing. Just like throwing it away. How is it not wasting it? That’s the entire point of all of this. 

  He had two PKs similar enough to carry on the opening day roster, but chooses the one that costs 7X more. And doesn’t have 3 more cheap years attached.

A waste is paying for something and not getting it, we are getting the same production at a higher cost......overpriced yes but a throwaway is a big reach. My problem is I know for a fact that if the move was made to keep bukter over gano, and actually save some money, the same ones complaing would never make a post giving credit to hurney or this staff for making the move