Sam Mills III tasked with game management duties

[thefuzz]

LOLOLOLOLOLO at 30 seconds into that interview the real Ron stands up.

 

I just see us continuing to do the things the way we've done.....

 

Ron, you're an oak.

[thefuzz]

18 hours ago, panthers55 said:

So does Cam suck because he has had only 3 winning seasons as well? 

Only if I was stupid enough to attribute wins to quarterbacks.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

Only if I was stupid enough to attribute wins to quarterbacks.

Right because the guys actually playing have no say in winning or losing. It is always the guys sitting on the sidelines. That qualifies so far for stupid post of the day. The quarterback having no say for wins or losses. How utterly ridiculous.

[thefuzz]

32 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Right because the guys actually playing have no say in winning or losing. It is always the guys sitting on the sidelines.

HE"S A GOOD COACH!

He has 3 winning seasons and 5 losing seasons.

SO DOES CAM DOES HE SUCK? 

No, only dumbasses attach wins and losses to quarterbacks.

SO PLAYERS ARE WORTHLESS AND DON'T DO ANYTING?

 

Do you see how dumb it is to continue to go back and forth with you?

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

HE"S A GOOD COACH!

He has 3 winning seasons and 5 losing seasons.

SO DOES CAM DOES HE SUCK? 

No, only dumbasses attach wins and losses to quarterbacks.

SO PLAYERS ARE WORTHLESS AND DON'T DO ANYTING?

 

Do you see how dumb it is to continue to go back and forth with you?

What is dumb is blaming the coaches for the record and ignoring the players especially the quarterback. Rivera has the same talent to work that Cam does. If Rivera sucks with 3 winning seasons then so does Cam. They are tied together and Ron is only as good as Cam performs. And Cam is only as good as the game plan. To say one sucks and the other is great is stupid logic. That is the point. Everytime you bring up Rivera's record you are bringing up Cam's as well.

[thefuzz]

35 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

What is dumb is blaming the coaches for the record and ignoring the players especially the quarterback. Rivera has the same talent to work that Cam does. If Rivera sucks with 3 winning seasons then so does Cam. They are tied together and Ron is only as good as Cam performs. And Cam is only as good as the game plan. To say one sucks and the other is great is stupid logic. That is the point. Everytime you bring up Rivera's record you are bringing up Cam's as well.

No, it's not.

Rivers is a great QB, has an average record.

Cam is a great QB, has an average record.

Brees is a great QB, has an average record.

I don't talk about wins and losses when talking about QB's.  As they control a portion of the game.  The HEAD coach is in charge of everything.

 

[panthers55]

13 hours ago, rayzor said:

if you suck at something and you want to look better, you have two options. get better or let people see someone do it worse than you.

I guess the fear that I have is that rivera is setting Mills3 up to a sacrificial lamb. The reason I asked if he really knows his poo is I don't know if the reason he's been able to stay so long here is because of how good he is or because of who his daddy is/was.

If things look bad again, they've got someone to blame that isn't rivera, though it should be rivera because it is rivera's team and it was rivera's decision to give Mills3 the job. 

We need someone else managing the games and we;'ve needed it for a long time. if Mills3 has been calling them, then why do we want to make it official and give him the title. You'd think that rivera's own self-eval would have noticed that the game calling has been poo. 

the whole situation just smells funny. why not hire from outside to improve? because this team is a slave to the god of continuity. it either wants to give the appearance of doing things differently or it doesn't know how. 

 

The point is that Rivera wants someone inside who he knows and who knows the system to help manage some of the details for him so he can make quicker decisions and quickly transition from DC duties  to HC duties. Mills isn't making decisions or managing the game from a game planning point of view.  Our game plans and many of the adaptations we're good this year. Norv was even able to hide Cam's deficits until it became too obvious to even game plan around. Mill's role won't result in him being a scape goat because he won't be the decision maker. 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

No, it's not.

Rivers is a great QB, has an average record.

Cam is a great QB, has an average record.

Brees is a great QB, has an average record.

I don't talk about wins and losses when talking about QB's.  As they control a portion of the game.  The HEAD coach is in charge of everything.

 

Brees has better than an average record as does Sean Peyton. 

Sure we don't primarily use wins or losses alone to define quarterbacks because we have other stats like passer ratings, completion percentages etc. With coaches the win or lose record is all you have because they don't have game stats. Except for things like coach of the year awards. But to assume that the quarterback doesn't have the biggest role in scoring points is naive at best. The only reason he doesn't get more of the blame or credit is that he doesn't play defense as well. So you can say Brees for example put up great numbers but the defense screwed him and be generally true. Other than this year somewhat that hasn't been the issue with us. Most times the defense is ranked higher than the offense.

Yet a quarterback's worth is still often decided by winning a Super Bowl or number of probowls along with great stats otherwise. Given that football is the ultimate team sport to blame one element of the team without acknowledging other aspects as well is rather short sighted and biased in my.opinion.

[MasterAwesome]

30 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

No, it's not.

Rivers is a great QB, has an average record.

Cam is a great QB, has an average record.

Brees is a great QB, has an average record.

I don't talk about wins and losses when talking about QB's.  As they control a portion of the game.  The HEAD coach is in charge of everything.

 

Why do I feel like your logic is one-sided...who gets credit for our 15-1 Super Bowl season? Was that all Rivera too? Does our MVP quarterback get any credit for that?

Does Tom Brady get any credit for being a 6-time Super Bowl champion? Or was that all Belichick?

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

On 2/13/2019 at 11:13 AM, Mr. Scot said:

So was Jim Haslam before he took over the Browns.

Unfortunately, it doesn't guarantee anything.

That is why I added

"Tepper is putting his plan together and will take time."

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

No, it's not.

Rivers is a great QB, has an average record.

Cam is a great QB, has an average record.

Brees is a great QB, has an average record. WRONG!

I don't talk about wins and losses when talking about QB's.  As they control a portion of the game.  The HEAD coach is in charge of everything.

 

Brees is up there with Brady and he is no where near an average QB.

[thefuzz]

43 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Brees has better than an average record as does Sean Peyton. 

Sure we don't primarily use wins or losses alone to define quarterbacks because we have other stats like passer ratings, completion percentages etc. With coaches the win or lose record is all you have because they don't have game stats. Except for things like coach of the year awards. But to assume that the quarterback doesn't have the biggest role in scoring points is naive at best. The only reason he doesn't get more of the blame or credit is that he doesn't play defense as well. So you can say Brees for example put up great numbers but the defense screwed him and be generally true. Other than this year somewhat that hasn't been the issue with us. Most times the defense is ranked higher than the offense.

Yet a quarterback's worth is still often decided by winning a Super Bowl or number of probowls along with great stats otherwise. Given that football is the ultimate team sport to blame one element of the team without acknowledging other aspects as well is rather short sighted and biased in my.opinion.

I don't talk about QB rankings with people who value rings over ability.  Eli Manning has 2 rings.  Brett has 1.  Rodgers has 1.  Rivers, Marino, etc...etc...etc...have zero.  Doesn't make Eli one bit better in my eyes.

QB's have plenty of way to be judged, head coaches have 1.  Wins.

Judging by wins, which is the best way to judge a head coach, Ron isn't very good.  You claim otherwise, and start tossing in the QB for some ungodly reason.

Ron Rivera has had a great QB for his entire 8 years and has close to the same winning % as John Fox, who had 3 years out of 13 with a great QB.  IMO, neither are good coaches.

[thefuzz]

7 minutes ago, rbsponsel52 said:

Brees is up there with Brady and he is no where near an average QB.

Brady is 207 and 60.  Brady is 155 and 108.

They are both great QB's.  Brady is on the better team.

Wins shouldn't be credited to QB's.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Brady is 207 and 60.  Brady is 155 and 108.

They are both great QB's.  Brady is on the better team.

Wins shouldn't be credited to QB's.

True because it's a team effort and not a QB effort. Problem is any team that wins a big game the QB gets all the credit which is ridiculous.