Little signs

[Toomers]

Just now, Rubi said:

@Toomers

first of all, Little hasn’t even played a down in the NFL, seriously calm down. You’re claiming bust all ready because a handful of other 1st rounder LT’s didn’t do so hot. So what. 

Little was the #1 high school lineman, started as a freshman at Ole Miss. He was All SEC and All American. He’s 6’6 325 with plus athleticism. Oh and he was a second rounder. Not a 1st like the other names you rattled off. He allowed pressure on 2.8% of snaps in the best college conference. 

The guy has serious ability and was selected at a position of a need. Wtf  

Your argument doesn’t hold much weight in all honesty. 

 

Claiming other players are busts doesn’t mean I think Little is automatically one as well. They were brought up to show that just because he played in the SEC doesn’t me an he will succeed. In fact, the numbers show quite the opposite. I responded to one specific point. You’re the one who can’t handle some actual facts involving Little. 

  The only reason it doesn’t hold water to you is it doesn’t help your theory and statements that Little will be good because you said so. 

 He hasn’t played a down but you can proclaim him as a success? What’s the difference. Except I didn’t say he would bust. I said your statement was false. And it was. But you want some sort of debate on Little, without me saying anything negative. 

  Such is the new Huddle. 

[MasterAwesome]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Whatever you have to tell yourself to feel better. Because your theory wasn’t working. Sorry that facts got in the way of your daydream. 

I’m guessing you are one of those who think Burns is gonna be a bust because of Florida State’s track record with pass rushers?

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Rubi said:

 

Whats the point of drafting based on your logic. Why should the league do it because some guys didn’t pan out in the past

 

see how stupid that is ? Lol 

Who brought up playing in the SEC as being a reason Little would succeed. You. Then you didn’t like what the actual story was. Not the made up one in your head. 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

I’m guessing you are one of those who think Burns is gonna be a bust because of Florida State’s track record with pass rushers?

As usual, you would be wrong. How about watching him half-ass it for 3 years. I don’t need stats and articles. I watched him. Just like all those others that busted. And was right about them. 

 

[Rubi]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Who brought up playing in the SEC as being a reason Little would succeed. You. Then you didn’t like what the actual story was. Not the made up one in your head. 

You’re just coming off super salty and crabby because I said he was highly successful in the SEC

Not sure why you’re this dense

[Rubi]

16 hours ago, Rubi said:

I don’t understand the Little draft pick criticism. He was highly successful as a starting LT in the SEC. 

wtf else do people want around here, Jesus H

 

@Toomers

^ this was my original post

 

where in this did i claim “he’d be successful” according to you exactly ?....I don’t see that. I was making the point he was a good college player

 

i did however unpack the rest of my thoughts on Little. If that upsets you, then I don’t know what to tell you man

[MasterAwesome]

11 minutes ago, Toomers said:

As usual, you would be wrong. How about watching him half-ass it for 3 years. I don’t need stats and articles. I watched him. Just like all those others that busted. And was right about them. 

 

I mean...I literally just used your own rationale and applied it to another player in a similar situation to see if your thought process was consistent. If I’m wrong in assuming your position on Burns, then that’s an indictment on your own reasoning.

How is saying “All these other successful SEC LTs busted therefore Little has a greater chance of busting” (or whatever you’re arguing) different than “All these other successful Florida State pass rushers busted therefore Burns has a greater chance of busting”?

I mean sure, now all of a sudden it’s “I watched him half-ass it for 3 years” but up until this point all you’d done is hold the failures of his predecessors against him. There was absolutely nothing substantive in any of your posts about him as a prospect.

Also if he was able to dominate in the SEC at LT when “half-assing” it...then damn I can’t wait to see how he does if he’s properly motivated by something like...I dunno...money.

[Rubi]

Logic:

Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB - trash =

Baker mayfield Oklahoma QB - trash

&

kyler Murray Oklahoma QB - trash 

[Toomers]

2 hours ago, Rubi said:

Logic:

Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB - trash =

Baker mayfield Oklahoma QB - trash

&

kyler Murray Oklahoma QB - trash 

No. That was your theory. 

  SEC LT, what more could you want. That’s your words. Claiming just because he played at a high level in the SEC there should be no questions about him. At all. So which one of us is using comparisons then acting like it’s ridiculous. Sure wasn’t me. 

But just keep yourself happy in fantasy land. Where facts only matter if they help your case. 

[Toomers]

2 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

I mean...I literally just used your own rationale and applied it to another player in a similar situation to see if your thought process was consistent. If I’m wrong in assuming your position on Burns, then that’s an indictment on your own reasoning.

How is saying “All these other successful SEC LTs busted therefore Little has a greater chance of busting” (or whatever you’re arguing) different than “All these other successful Florida State pass rushers busted therefore Burns has a greater chance of busting”?

I mean sure, now all of a sudden it’s “I watched him half-ass it for 3 years” but up until this point all you’d done is hold the failures of his predecessors against him. There was absolutely nothing substantive in any of your posts about him as a prospect.

Also if he was able to dominate in the SEC at LT when “half-assing” it...then damn I can’t wait to see how he does if he’s properly motivated by something like...I dunno...money.

Maybe you could show me where I used that. I brought those players up in response to a specific question or statement. Was I wrong in correcting that false statement. But , as usual, you want to pick a word(s) and argue over something I wasn’t even discussing. Just go back to ignoring me. And I’ll do the same. 

 And I’ve been vocal about Little, and almost all the LT prospects in this draft since January. And explained in great depth many times why?  When a person states that Little is beyond questions because he played in the SEC, I responded with a different side. All facts. What did that have to do with Brian Burns or any other player. That’s your fantasy land. 

 

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

Maybe you could show me where I used that. I brought those players up in response to a specific question or statement. Was I wrong in correcting that false statement. But , as usual, you want to pick a word(s) and argue over something I wasn’t even discussing. Just go back to ignoring me. And I’ll do the same. 

 And I’ve been vocal about Little, and almost all the LT prospects in this draft since January. And explained in great depth many times why?  When a person states that Little is beyond questions because he played in the SEC, I responded with a different side. All facts. What did that have to do with Brian Burns or any other player. That’s your fantasy land. 

 

First of all lol, when was I ever ignoring you?? Aren’t you one of the people who has complained in the past, asking why I’m always quoting you and targeting you? Not sure if I’m mistakenly lumping you in with the countless others who have expressed those delusions of grandeur. You can certainly choose to ignore me since you seem to be harboring a lot of ill feelings towards me over an extended period. 

What I DO remember about you however (because it was so bizarre) is that you took my word “dismissive” and spent like 9 posts criticizing me for using that word in favor of actually refuting anything I said. So the fact that you’re saying things like “as usual you want to pick a word(s) and argue over something I wasn’t even discussing” is incredibly laughable.

You’re constantly mischaracterizing what he said in his original post. The only descriptive claim he made was that Little was a highly successful LT in the SEC...what is false about that? Outside of those descriptive claims, the only other things he said were that he doesn’t know why people are criticizing Little, and “what more do you want”? To characterize either of those as “false” is quite literally nonsensical.

-”I don’t know why people are criticizing Little” 

-“FALSE”

-“What more can you want?”

-“FALSE”

See how that doesn’t make sense? Then you extrapolated upon that and argued some strawman that he claimed Little is going to be successful. Stating he doesn’t know why Little has received all this criticism is no where in the realm of claiming he’s going to be successful. There’s a difference between touting him as a success before taking a snap, and being excited about him as a prospect because he dominated at the top level of competition in college (which most people would agree is the most significant predictor of success in the NFL). Considering his success at LT in the SEC, it’s odd for so many people to be defaulting to a position of cynicism and skepticism, hence his “what more could you want?”. If you responded to that with a more legitimate point like perhaps his Combine performance, then that would have at least warranted a discussion...but instead you went off on some strange tangent about other SEC LTs.

Now if his original claim was something like “Little was a highly successful LT in the SEC, therefore he will be successful in the NFL”...THEN sure, you would have debunked a “false claim” like you keep repeating. It’s again hypocritical that you’re criticizing us for mischaracterizing or strawmanning your position and you’re doing the same thing. Except his position was pretty clear from the start...I still have absolutely no idea what you are arguing.

[Toomers]

3 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

First of all lol, when was I ever ignoring you?? Aren’t you one of the people who has complained in the past, asking why I’m always quoting you and targeting you? Not sure if I’m mistakenly lumping you in with the countless others who have expressed those delusions of grandeur. You can certainly choose to ignore me since you seem to be harboring a lot of ill feelings towards me over an extended period. 

What I DO remember about you however (because it was so bizarre) is that you took my word “dismissive” and spent like 9 posts criticizing me for using that word in favor of actually refuting anything I said. So the fact that you’re saying things like “as usual you want to pick a word(s) and argue over something I wasn’t even discussing” is incredibly laughable.

You’re constantly mischaracterizing what he said in his original post. The only descriptive claim he made was that Little was a highly successful LT in the SEC...what is false about that? Outside of those descriptive claims, the only other things he said were that he doesn’t know why people are criticizing Little, and “what more do you want”? To characterize either of those as “false” is quite literally nonsensical.

-”I don’t know why people are criticizing Little” 

-“FALSE”

-“What more can you want?”

-“FALSE”

See how that doesn’t make sense? Then you extrapolated upon that and argued some strawman that he claimed Little is going to be successful. Stating he doesn’t know why Little has received all this criticism is no where in the realm of claiming he’s going to be successful. There’s a difference between touting him as a success before taking a snap, and being excited about him as a prospect because he dominated at the top level of competition in college (which most people would agree is the most significant predictor of success in the NFL). Considering his success at LT in the SEC, it’s odd for so many people to be defaulting to a position of cynicism and skepticism, hence his “what more could you want?”. If you responded to that with a more legitimate point like perhaps his Combine performance, then that would have at least warranted a discussion...but instead you went off on some strange tangent about other SEC LTs.

Now if his original claim was something like “Little was a highly successful LT in the SEC, therefore he will be successful in the NFL”...THEN sure, you would have debunked a “false claim” like you keep repeating. It’s again hypocritical that you’re criticizing us for mischaracterizing or strawmanning your position and you’re doing the same thing. Except his position was pretty clear from the start...I still have absolutely no idea what you are arguing.

    Let’s make this clear. Ignore me as I do you. I can imagine how someone taking one random word and completely changing the point you were making Frustrating isn’t it. And it seriously took you this long to figure that out. So leave me alone if you don’t like what I say. Or prove it wrong. Something you really stretched to put this on me. Let’s look at this again....without your special context that just overlooks anything that might me correct. 

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Posted yesterday at 08:00 PM

I don’t understand the Little draft pick criticism? He was highly successful as a starting LT in the SEC. 

 wtf else do people want around here, Jesus H

 Can you seriously sit there and try to say this isn’t a shot at ANY criticism stated about Little. That is taking a shot at anyone who doesn’t think Little was a good pick. And it’s emphasized with a Jesus H and a WTF for anyone who dares question him in ANY way. When I posted the facts that 2/3rds of SEC LTs have been epic failures over the past 5 drafts, it was to directly dispute THAT specific comment. And it disputed it quite well. 

 Then suddenly the criteria changed in a panic. But somehow me making one factually correct comment is me stating he’s an automatic bust. Did I not post the successful ones as well? I’m sorry if the truth offended  some  folks , but as I showed....being a successful SEC LT doesn’t mean much towards success in the NFL. 

  Tell you what.... let’s post it in a poll. Let’s see if anyone else took it as a claim that Little would be successful and none of the questions about him had any validity because he played well in the SEC. Because I’m having trouble seeing it any other way without stretching the limits of reality like you did. I’m game. 

[Toomers]

8 hours ago, Rubi said:

Logic:

Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB - trash =

Baker mayfield Oklahoma QB - trash

&

kyler Murray Oklahoma QB - trash 

Logic: Stating that any criticism of a certain player is invalid because of the conference he played in. Only to then find out that the same elite LTs from that conference bust much more than become successful. 

  You made a ridiculous statement that was nowhere close to true or relevant. At least we better hope not. But keep deflecting away from it. 

[Rubi]

@toomers is very anti SEC