Myles Garrett suspended indefinitely

[Snake]

12 minutes ago, Prowler2019 said:

Rudolph not totally escaping punishment either.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001077016/article/mason-rudolph-will-be-fined-for-role-in-tnf-brawl

 

A fine is totally escaping after he started the whole thing. 

[mav1234]

 

Just now, aGDevil2k said:

A shove in the back got one guy suspended. I mean....

Didn't Suh get suspended for a kick to the groin?

1) shove in the back of a defenseless player with his helmet off.

2) Suh had a history of dirty behavior when he was suspended for stomping on Rodgers, but that was actually overturned.  He did stomp on another player's arm and got a suspension in a different year I believe.  Rudolph has no history of player safety violations, so.

[Snake]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

You mean he gets 3 games for jumping on the dude who literally could of killed Rudolph?  

You think Pouncey and Garrett committed equal infractions?  Take the kick out and I’d argue Pouncey shouldn’t get anything. 

After his QB went after Garrett again yes. Kicking and Punching a guy being held down on the ground is just as bad as a tap on the head. Hell Red Nose there didn't even fall to the ground. 

[PanthersBigD]

Just now, CRA said:

So I mean, steel chair from the sidelines gotta be cool too. I mean can they start in the parking lot too? 

NHL literally has dudes on a team that are paid to be goons.  Fighting is literally the highlight of that sport.  Even the NHL acknowledges there are lines....where the but this is a physical sport narrative doesn’t excuse all action. 

It doesn't have to excuse it to explain it. Stop being so melodramatic. It was a fight. He probably never expected to connect with Rudolph's head. He did, and he should be suspended for a bit, but doing it indefinitely is just scapegoating by the NFL. Pouncey should be out just as long. He wasn't even part of the original fight, and punched a guy that was already being held back, and proceeded to kick him in the head once he was on the ground. It's a violent sport, and emotions get the best of everyone at one time or another. Just suspend them all and make a real example of the situation. 

[Sam Mills Fan]

2 minutes ago, aGDevil2k said:

Really??

Because Garrett's reaction was so completely absurd and over the top, that it didn't matter if he got kicked in the crotch or not.  He HAD to apologize because he looked like a lunatic. 

It doesn't mean that the picture showing him getting kicked is a fake.  And it doesn't mean that Rudolph, who also seems like a hothead, didn't try to rip Garrett's helmet off (and then chase him unprotected, like a loon)

Not saying it was a fake. Just that quick screenshots can sometimes be misleading. It may (and probably was) an inadvertent thing as he was trying to get Garrett off him. 

And he had to apologize to his teammates and team and the NFL, but there was no world where he was required to apologize so strongly to a guy that kicked him in the balls if it happened intentionally.

[aGDevil2k]

Just now, mav1234 said:

 

1) shove in the back of a defenseless player with his helmet off.

2) Suh had a history of dirty behavior when he was suspended for stomping on Rodgers, but that was actually overturned.  He did stomp on another player's arm and got a suspension in a different year I believe.  Rudolph has no history of player safety violations, so.

He didn't say a player without history. He just said a player. 

And shoves have happened a lot, usually without suspension. Defenseless is often how that happens (and helmets rarely, if ever, matter with a shove...it didn't change the status of that one).  Basically, the NFL is (rightly) coming down hard on lots of parties here. So Rudolph should not escape his part.  He could have walked away when his helmet was taken off.  He could have not tried to take off Garrett's helmet.  And I am super suspicious that his legs were flailing in that perfect fashion. 

[Snake]

If I'm Miles Garrett I would be suing the NFL for reinstatement after 3 games. Especially when his attacker was given the same penalty. 

[aGDevil2k]

Just now, Sam Mills Fan said:

Not saying it was a fake. Just that quick screenshots can sometimes be misleading. It may (and probably was) an inadvertent thing as he was trying to get Garrett off him. 

And he had to apologize to his teammates and team and the NFL, but there was no world where he was required to apologize so strongly to a guy that kicked him in the balls if it happened intentionally.

Oh you are right that they can be.  I don't think his legs were just aimlessly flailing about (given at the start, he was he one initiating the helmet grabbing so he wasn't trying to get Garrett off him).  

And yeah he had to apologize to the guy he could have severely injured - I mean at that point it was all about PR and limiting his long-term consequences.  I think everyone sees that even if he were kicked in the groin so bad his pants split open, his reaction wasn't justified. 

[Sam Mills Fan]

1 minute ago, aGDevil2k said:

He didn't say a player without history. He just said a player. 

And shoves have happened a lot, usually without suspension. Defenseless is often how that happens (and helmets rarely, if ever, matter with a shove...it didn't change the status of that one).  Basically, the NFL is (rightly) coming down hard on lots of parties here. So Rudolph should not escape his part.  He could have walked away when his helmet was taken off.  He could have not tried to take off Garrett's helmet.  And I am super suspicious that his legs were flailing in that perfect fashion. 

Rudolph isn't escaping. He's getting fined. Guys get fined for on-the-field things nearly every week, it doesn't mean they're suspended for them. When you take away the supposed ball shot, there's nothing there to suspend him over. Garrett threw a late hit and drove his head into the turf on a meaningless play, Rudolph reacted poorly, and then Garrett reacted REALLY poorly. There's always a spectrum of bad behavior. I don't think anyone is saying Rudolph was a perfect angel, just that what he did didn't rise to the suspension level.

[PanthersBigD]

14 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

He was being a good teammate, then took it too far.  He deserved a suspension.  3 games is a lengthy suspension and worth what he did.  He fuged up.  Period.  But... There is NOTHING comparable about ripping a helmet off another player and then swinging it at his head. Nothing.  

To those suggesting Rudolph be suspended: Nothing he did warrants a suspension, but perhaps a fine.  He COULD have ripped off Garrett's helmet but stopped, then when Garrett lunged at him and tried to kick him off of him *because he was yanking him off the ground by his facemask*.  Rudolph threw no punches and once Garrett was separated he took no direct physical action against him.  Rudolph running after Garrett is not something you can suspend him for, lol.  Dudes get up into each others faces in the NFL all the time.  But only once has one of them used a helmet as a weapon.  Hence the suspension.

Three games is a 'lengthy suspension?' 'He was just being a good teammate?' LOL, this is a completely crap take. Unsurprising, but still. 

[Snake]

4 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

It doesn't have to excuse it to explain it. Stop being so melodramatic. It was a fight. He probably never expected to connect with Rudolph's head. He did, and he should be suspended for a bit, but doing it indefinitely is just scapegoating by the NFL. Pouncey should be out just as long. He wasn't even part of the original fight, and punched a guy that was already being held back, and proceeded to kick him in the head once he was on the ground. It's a violent sport, and emotions get the best of everyone at one time or another. Just suspend them all and make a real example of the situation. 

Oh no that would be too simple. I can tell there are some hidden Steelers fans on here. Anyone with a pair of eyes can tell this is bull poo. 

[mav1234]

11 minutes ago, aGDevil2k said:

He didn't say a player without history. He just said a player. 

And shoves have happened a lot, usually without suspension. Defenseless is often how that happens (and helmets rarely, if ever, matter with a shove...it didn't change the status of that one).  Basically, the NFL is (rightly) coming down hard on lots of parties here. So Rudolph should not escape his part.  He could have walked away when his helmet was taken off.  He could have not tried to take off Garrett's helmet.  And I am super suspicious that his legs were flailing in that perfect fashion. 

A player lacking a helmet DOES matter in terms of punishment for actions you take against him.  I guarantee that if Garrett had swung his own helmet at a dude with a helmet on, it would have been viewed differently.  Just like knocking a helmetless player to the ground is different from knocking a player down with a helmet on. In all cases, these are bad, but they are worse because the player has no helmet on.

Previous player safety violations make a big difference in suspensions for borderline infractions.  Rudolph's actions were borderline.

There was nothing borderline about using a helmet as a weapon.

Nor was there anything borderline about punching/stomping on a player on the ground.

Nor was there in knocking down a defenseless, helmetless player away from the action.

[Snake]

1 minute ago, PanthersBigD said:

Three games is a 'lengthy suspension?' 'He was just being a good teammate?' LOL, this is a completely crap take. Unsurprising, but still. 

It's clear he's a Steelers fan. No one else would make some bull poo like that up. He's been defending those douches the whole time. 

[mav1234]

Just now, PanthersBigD said:

Three games is a 'lengthy suspension?' 'He was just being a good teammate?' LOL, this is a completely crap take. Unsurprising, but still. 

Why is it unsurprising?

As I said, he was being a good teammate that took it too far. He went over to protect his QB and then took physical action against another player. That is uncalled for.  He deserved a suspension. 3 games is a lengthy one - Suh's longest suspension, and he had like a dozen player safety violations, was 2 games.  3 games is very long for a player without previous safety violations.  

FYI I was rooting for the Browns in that game because fug the Steelers.  But I can call some bullshit when I see it.