Will Cam Newton play football for the Carolina Panthers in the 2020-2021 season?

[SOJA]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Uh huh 

Look dude, I get that you're trying to talk yourself (and apparently everybody else) into any possible scenario where Newton stays, but it doesn't matter. We could all think and speak nothing but happy happy thoughts about Newton staying here for the next couple of months and it wouldn't make any difference.

Yes, it's possible. No, it isn't likely. That's pretty much all that you can definitively say at this point. And it's what all of the people who actually have inside connections are saying.

You can't will it to not happen.

isn't likely because of his health or isn't likely bc tepper has already made up his mind?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, SOJA said:

isn't likely because of his health or isn't likely bc tepper has already made up his mind?

Little of both.

Word it is that Tepper didn't have a lot of confidence in the idea of extending Newton when he first got here. The two seasons that have happened since then haven't exactly shown a lot to boost that confidence.

On the flipside, it seems Newton's people have been pushing for an extension since 2017. That's perfectly logical of course, but the Panthers haven't cooperated and the person said to be most resistant to the idea is Tepper.

We're now to the point where Newton doesn't want to play without an extension and the Panthers don't want to give him one.

Stalemate. And to get out of it, one side or the other would have to cave.

I definitely don't see the Panthers caving. Not so sure Newton would either. About the only possibility to see him in a Panthers uniform again is he and his people giving up on the extension and agreeing to play out the last season without any guarantees.

If you were in his position, knowing that there probably are other teams out there who would be willing to give you more than just that one year, would you do that?

I wouldn't, and I won't blame Newton if he doesn't either.

[MVPccaffrey]

I called it after he went out after losing game 2 at home against Tampa... he's played his last snap as a Panther.

[SBiii]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They expect him to be gone either way.

Like I said, it's not that hard to understand, but again you're not trying to understand. You're basically taking the approach that if you close your eyes, the bad thing will go away.

Bad news: That doesn't really work.

Oh I fully understand what the nameless "they" are saying....I just don't buy it! 

(nor has any logical argument been put forth to support "their" position)

We'll see who gets it right.

Curious, who did "they" pick when the new-owner sweepstakes was taking place?  Rubin?

[SOJA]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Little of both.

Word it is that Tepper didn't have a lot of confidence in the idea of extending Newton when he first got here. The two seasons that have happened since then haven't exactly shown a lot to boost that confidence.

On the flipside, it seems Newton's people have been pushing for an extension since 2017. That's perfectly logical of course, but the Panthers haven't cooperated and the person said to be most resistant to the idea is Tepper.

We're now to the point where Newton doesn't want to play without an extension and the Panthers don't want to give him one.

Stalemate. And to get out of it, one side or the other would have to cave.

I definitely don't see the Panthers caving. Not so sure Newton would either. About the only possibility to see him in a Panthers uniform again is he and his people giving up on the extension and agreeing to play out the last season without any guarantees.

If you were in his position, knowing that there probably are other teams out there who would be willing to give you more than just that one year, would you do that?

I wouldn't, and I won't blame Newton if he doesn't either.

thanks for the in depth answer, that makes total sense. I don't blame Cam. I also don't see why (if his health isn't an issue) the Panthers wouldn't consider a 3 year extension but I'm a huge Cam fan and will be until he hangs it up  

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, SBiii said:

Oh I fully understand what the nameless "they" are saying....I just don't buy it! 

(nor has any logical argument been put forth to support "their" position)

We'll see who gets it right.

Curious, who did "they" pick when the new-owner sweepstakes was taking place?  Rubin?

They're not nameless. Heck, a couple of them have posted here. You just choose not to acknowledge it.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalalala" won't prevent anything from happening.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, SOJA said:

thanks for the in depth answer, that makes total sense. I don't blame Cam. I also don't see why (if his health isn't an issue) the Panthers wouldn't consider a 3 year extension but I'm a huge Cam fan and will be until he hangs it up  

Think of it this way.

If any other team offered a three year extension to a 30 year old quarterback who hadn't been healthy since 2017, do you think you'd look at that and say "well, that was a smart move"?

[SOJA]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Think of it this way.

If any other team offered a three year extension to a 30 year old quarterback who hadn't been healthy since 2017, do you think you'd look at that and say "well, that was a smart move"?

Given how few elite QBs there are in the NFL and how widely unpredictable drafting one is, I'd be ok with giving Cam the extension. I definitely don't think that precludes spending a high pick on a QB because Cam will always be tradeable 

There's at least ten teams that would no questions asked trade for Cam on a short extension like that, two in our division imo 

 

My overall point is Cam is not only someone we should be very way about moving on from but he is also an asset at minimum- cutting him for nothing is a gigantic waste (not saying you are recommending that but a lot are)

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Given how few elite QBs there are in the NFL and how widely unpredictable drafting one is, I'd be ok with giving Cam the extension. I definitely don't think that precludes spending a high pick on a QB because Cam will always be tradeable 

There's at least ten teams that would no questions asked trade for Cam on a short extension like that, two in our division imo 

My overall point is Cam is not only someone we should be very way about moving on from but he is also an asset at minimum- cutting him for nothing is a gigantic waste (not saying you are recommending that but a lot are)

I would agree there are teams out there that would probably be willing to give Newton an extension.

The team that knows him the best, that also has him on a cap friendly deal next year, the one where he's got roots, and the team that has the best access to his most up to date medical information isn't.

If I were looking at that from the outside, I'd consider it a huge red flag.

The other thing is that you have to look at what Newton is and what he's going to be, not what he was. If we're going by the last 18 months, "elite quarterback" would be a stretch. "Injured quarterback" would be more accurate.

[uncfan888]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

They're not nameless. Heck, a couple of them have posted here. You just choose not to acknowledge it.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalalala" won't prevent anything from happening.

I don't know why you're bothering with him

[Green-Ghost]

I think it is too soon to tell.   I think he wants to.  But I don't think we will know until the off season. 

I think he takes many risks that have caught up with him.  As a hated rival you have to admire his will to win. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

I don't know why you're bothering with him

Whim...

[SBiii]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

They're not nameless. Heck, a couple of them have posted here. You just choose not to acknowledge it.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalalala" won't prevent anything from happening.

I have no idea who u might be referencing? Who shud I be on the lookout for that has inside information?  I wud like to read their posts.

I'm simply taking the other side of the trade....not sure why u care so much.

Like Tepper I'm a sell-high kinda guy...

...booking a loss on Cam right here wud be a bad trade.  (assuming a fool cud be found to take the other side of the trade)

Tepper will ride this position to $0 before he sells for pennies on the dollar.

It is true that Cam may not be a Panther next year but if so I believe it will be because he is out of the league. (either by choice or for health reasons, and I don't mean the shoulder or the foot)

 

 

[SBiii]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Think of it this way.

If any other team offered a three year extension to a 30 year old quarterback who hadn't been healthy since 2017, do you think you'd look at that and say "well, that was a smart move"?

Yet you believe the Bears will do so?