Albert Breer: Dontari Poe unlikely to be back with Panthers

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

I wouldnt restructure again but I also wouldn't say it was dumb, KK is very underrated around here, our line went to poo after KK went down and our secondary went from 2nd in the league to bad imo due to the Dline dropping off.

Do you have any idea what restructuring means?

How it affects the cap?

[Matt62881]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Do you have any idea what restructuring means?

How it affects the cap?

Kicking the can down the road, hes fine as is I just wouldn't do it again at his age, another reason we need D Brown so bad in the draft. It makes him hard to cut...it can mean other things but I'm guessing this is the part you were referring to.

[stbugs]

26 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

With Poe in the lineup the run defense should not have dropped as drastically as it did when KK went down. Poe's primary duty was to take space and stop the run, he was very average to below average definitely no where near worth 10m

The run defense was bad day 1. It got worse as we got less competitive and teams were just running out the clock, but the Rams tore us up. Gurley and Brown had 150 yards and 2 TDs on 25 carries and they basically sucked the rest of the year.

[Matt62881]

3 minutes ago, stbugs said:

The run defense was bad day 1. It got worse as we got less competitive and teams were just running out the clock, but the Rams tore us up. Gurley and Brown had 150 yards and 2 TDs on 25 carries and they basically sucked the rest of the year.

It wasn't so bad that runs were a guaranteed 5 yds like at the end of the season, I haven't looked it up but how bad were we in the first two games? My point is we still made stops.

[thefuzz]

12 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Kicking the can down the road, hes fine as is I just wouldn't do it again at his age, another reason we need D Brown so bad in the draft. It makes him hard to cut...it can mean other things but I'm guessing this is the part you were referring to.

My point is you saying that restructuring him the 1st time wasn't dumb, when it clearly was.

There was zero point to do it, and it just tied an arm behind our backs.

[Matt62881]

Just now, thefuzz said:

My point is you saying that restructuring him the 1st time wasn't dumb, when it clearly was.

There was zero point to do it, and it just tied an arm behind our backs.

But what is it going to matter in the end when we need him anyway? What are you going to do cut our only DT who is almost Elite or Elite. KK and Poe were an ok combo, KK and star were and Elite combo, and KK and Brown would be an even better combo.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Matt62881 said:

But what is it going to matter in the end when we need him anyway? What are you going to do cut our only DT who is almost Elite or Elite. KK and Poe were an ok combo, KK and star were and Elite combo, and KK and Brown would be an even better combo.

Oh good lord.

It's not very smart to kick money down the road ever, it's really dumb to do so on a soon to be rebuilding team, it's even worse when that player is 30 or over.

We need more flexibility, not less.  This is a classic Hurney move that continually bites us in the ass.

What if he had decided to retire this offseason like Luke?  We just tossed 4M more in cap space out the window for absolutely no reason.

[stbugs]

8 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

It wasn't so bad that runs were a guaranteed 5 yds like at the end of the season, I haven't looked it up but how bad were we in the first two games? My point is we still made stops.

6 yards per carry to the Rams. Pretty much cost us the game. Goff has 186 yards and an interception and they still put up 30. That’s horrible. We were better against Tampa but they were a mediocre running team. We did, however, let Barber run for 82 yards and a TD when he had 388 yards the rest of the season (never got above 50 in another game).

We really weren’t making many stops even early. The offensive success and pass rush helped mask the running D although again, we weren’t good to start. 6 ypc is terrible.

[Mr. Scot]

Related: Joe Person doesn't seem to think the Panthers will franchise James Bradberry.

He points to the fact that paying that much for a top corner isn't necessarily "rebuild" friendly.

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Related: Joe Person doesn't seem to think the Panthers will franchise James Bradberry.

He points to the fact that paying that much for a top corner isn't necessarily "rebuild" friendly.

He's an older 5th year player as well.  He will be 27 before kickoff this coming season.

I was all in on paying him LAST offseason, this year it's just going to be too rich for a rebuild.

[Matt62881]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

6 yards per carry to the Rams. Pretty much cost us the game. Goff has 186 yards and an interception and they still put up 30. That’s horrible. We were better against Tampa but they were a mediocre running team. We did, however, let Barber run for 82 yards and a TD when he had 388 yards the rest of the season (never got above 50 in another game).

We really weren’t making many stops even early. The offensive success and pass rush helped mask the running D although again, we weren’t good to start. 6 ypc is terrible.

It is horrible and correct me if I'm wrong but I feel the ypc were heightened by a few runs as I remember us getting stops and some 3 and outs. I know through the first 5 weeks or so our pass defence was 2nd in the league. Also the big 50yd runs had been a problem the previous year as well. I could see Brown and KK beside each other destroying run schemes.

[stbugs]

13 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

It is horrible and correct me if I'm wrong but I feel the ypc were heightened by a few runs as I remember us getting stops and some 3 and outs. I know through the first 5 weeks or so our pass defence was 2nd in the league. Also the big 50yd runs had been a problem the previous year as well. I could see Brown and KK beside each other destroying run schemes.

The effectiveness of the rest of the team his the fact that our run D was terrible. We couldn’t stop the run at all against the Rams. Gurley and Barber had their best games all year against us.

In the first 5 weeks we played Tampa (24th), LA (26th), Arizona (10th*), Houston (9th*), Jax (17th). We weren’t playing the powerhouses and honestly they still were effective. The Rams had 150 yards and 6ypc. Houston had over a 100 and averaged over 5ypc. Don’t know why Hyde and Johnson only had 18 carries. All 5 teams had over 100 yards rushing. Fournette had 3 100 yard games all year and 1 was against us.

Anyway, we made plays but for the most part we still sucked against the run. Gurley, Malcom Brown and Barber had their 2019 rushing highs against us. Fournette has his 3rd best. 

* Obviously the running QBs make a difference in running stats. Without Murray and Watson, those teams are in the 20s. Also, the best RB Arizona had last year (Drake) wasn’t even on the team against us.

[Matt62881]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

The effectiveness of the rest of the team his the fact that our run D was terrible. We couldn’t stop the run at all against the Rams. Gurley and Barber had their best games all year against us.

In the first 5 weeks we played Tampa (24th), LA (26th), Arizona (10th*), Houston (9th*), Jax (17th). We weren’t playing the powerhouses and honestly they still were effective. The Rams had 150 yards and 6ypc. Houston had over a 100 and averaged over 5ypc. Don’t know why Hyde and Johnson only had 18 carries. All 5 teams had over 100 yards rushing. Fournette had 3 100 yard games all year and 1 was against us.

Anyway, we made plays but for the most part we still sucked against the run. Gurley, Malcom Brown and Barber had their 2019 rushing highs against us. Fournette has his 3rd best. 

* Obviously the running QBs make a difference in running stats. Without Murray and Watson, those teams are in the 20s. Also, the best RB Arizona had last year (Drake) wasn’t even on the team against us.

Yea it was bad man, one reason I really think Brown is priority, It will help the whole defence. The first year in the 34 didnt help any either....

[stbugs]

12 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Yea it was bad man, one reason I really think Brown is priority, It will help the whole defence. The first year in the 34 didnt help any either....

It didn’t but we were in the 4-3 in 2018 with a healthy Short and we were still terrible on D. Even when it was obvious that Cam couldn’t throw deep, the D couldn’t stop anyone. Does anyone really think Detroit doesn’t drive for an easy FG if Cam hits the 2 point play or even if Gano makes the FG against Seattle, Wilson had no problems driving for the winner.

If we are moving on from Cam, then I think we can build the D up and we can let Grier get mauled to see what we really have on OL. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t draft OL but the guys saying we should go all offense don’t realize how bad our D was compared to the O even with Allen. With Grier the offense was awful but he was clearly not ready at all. He’s the perfect patsy for tanking for Trevor and seeing if Little/Daley are worth anything and if Paradis is healthy enough to be a decent C.