2021 Comp pick formula has changed.

[Black&BlueBubba]

12 hours ago, stbugs said:

I don’t remember Cooper being cut by Arizona at the end of the year. If we paid him more than the minimum then that was dumb, but I doubt we did.

This is actually good news. Do we know how much we paid these guys?

You are correct.  They did cut him but that was early in season and the brought him back in Oct.  but he also is not going to be above the 1.75 mark  

I do like this change in the formula. It gives terrible teams an opportunity to sign guys prior to the draft. Our climb out of this shithole is going to be hard enough. At least we get a head start.
 And these guys are looking for the best spot for playing time to prove themselves and maybe get further contracts.  It works for both parties.  

 

[stbugs]

2 hours ago, Pazhoosier89 said:

 

KK is the only DT on the roster.  I don't think there is any way he is traded.

Unfortunately, that’s the case but he’s a waste of money and Short isn’t going to be the difference between us making the playoffs or sucking. We will suck so instead of limping with him for a year, let’s save the $14M to rollover.

[MMA]

Teddy should not cancel out Bradberry. He started only 5 out of 9 games last year. Bradberry was a full time starter, starting 13 of 13 games.

[Black&BlueBubba]

2 minutes ago, MMA said:

Teddy should not cancel out Bradberry. He started only 5 out of 9 games last year. Bradberry was a full time starter, starting 13 of 13 games.

Damn. That would be great.  That would mean a 3,4,5 and whatever GVR brings.  Would be great to get the max 4 comp picks.  
 

Also I just confirmed with the new agreement Poe’s decline in his option will not land is any picks.  In the old agreement he would count.  Not that big of a deal bc I don’t see him getting a big contract.  

[45catfan]

4 minutes ago, MMA said:

Teddy should not cancel out Bradberry. He started only 5 out of 9 games last year. Bradberry was a full time starter, starting 13 of 13 games.

Obviously none of us knows the exact formula, but playing time doesn't seem to be a huge factor in the equation.  The most critical variable is the annual dollar amount of a FA's new deal.  I'm interested in seeing how much these last couple of guys signed for.  If under $1.75 million, we just need Hurney to stop with anymore signings and hope a couple of our FAs get snatched up.  I would like at least an extra 3rd next year.  I would be thrilled with an extra 3rd this year, but alas....

 

[stbugs]

1 minute ago, MMA said:

Teddy should not cancel out Bradberry. He started only 5 out of 9 games last year. Bradberry was a full time starter, starting 13 of 13 games.

Salary is 99% of the formula, which is a blackbox, but the predictions using salary as the base are typically right.

[stbugs]

6 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Obviously none of us knows the exact formula, but playing time doesn't seem to be a huge factor in the equation.  The most critical variable is the annual dollar amount of a FA's new deal.  I'm interested in seeing how much these last couple of guys signed for.  If under $1.75 million, we just need Hurney to stop with anymore signings and hope a couple of our FAs get snatched up.  I would like at least an extra 3rd next year.  I would be thrilled with an extra 3rd this year, but alas....

 

We won’t get the 3rd. No chance. The Eagles got a 3rd for Foles and Foles started 5 games in 2018. 

[45catfan]

We are net zero now.  Just one more guy form last years squad to get signed and Hurney to sit pat until after the draft for more mediocre FA bodies.  Problem is, only lower tier guys are remaining. Ross Cockrell being our last best option to get a decent-sized contract.

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

We are net zero now.  Just one more guy form last years squad to get signed and Hurney to sit pat until after the draft for more mediocre FA bodies.  Problem is, only lower tier guys are remaining. Ross Cockrell being our last best option to get a decent-sized contract.

We are +1 (Addison) since Cooper doesn't count. We could be +3 if DeValve and Roberts were signed for $1.75M or less, which is a great tidbit on the new CBS just signed from that other thread. The Jaguars signed DeValve for $720k last year and he had 12 catches. Very likley he signs for less. Roberts signed for $2M for one year with Baltimore and had 21 catches. I'd think we should be able to sign him for $1.75M. I think Roberts sees the chance for a decent role with us and possibly more money in the future.

I thought Hurney was throwing away picks, but the new CBA basically makes these small contracts equivalent to signing FAs after the draft. I'm assuming that our new salary cap/CBA expert helped out with this as we seem to be one of the few teams really using it. I apologize to Hurney for saying he was throwing away comp picks. I still don't like him as a GM because he sucks for over a decade after round 1 and I think we are wasting a golden opportunity for a ceiling of 7-9 at best in a division where all 3 teams are better than us. No need to waste $21M a year to find a future QB when starting Grier virtually guarantees us a future QB with as much potential as any in the next 5 years.

[stbugs]

Any news on DeValve, Roberts, Irvin and Van Roten's salaries? Know those and we'd pretty much know what comp picks we'd have. I think we're going to get a 4th, 5th and 6th or maybe a 4th and two 5ths if Van Roten's contract is high enough and Irvin cancels out Burris. Assuming Roberts and DeValve don't count.

[45catfan]

So the overall net lost/gain is irrelevant as long as the number of players we sign over the $1.75 million is less than our FAs signed above that same threshold ?  I was interpreting the $1.75 million as a set standard for the 7th round comp pick floor since in years past that number fluctuated year-to-year.

[45catfan]

10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Any news on DeValve, Roberts, Irvin and Van Roten's salaries? Know those and we'd pretty much know what comp picks we'd have. I think we're going to get a 4th, 5th and 6th or maybe a 4th and two 5ths if Van Roten's contract is high enough and Irvin cancels out Burris. Assuming Roberts and DeValve don't count.

Not yet and since those details didn't come out before the weekend, I'm guessing tomorrow will be the earliest we may get some of those contract figures.

[Pazhoosier89]

31 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Not yet and since those details didn't come out before the weekend, I'm guessing tomorrow will be the earliest we may get some of those contract figures.

It's not an exact formula but the estimates from the over the cap guy says players could sign up to $2.5 mil/yr and not count toward the formula. Its based on if a contract is in the top 35% of all contracts or not.

[Black&BlueBubba]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

So the overall net lost/gain is irrelevant as long as the number of players we sign over the $1.75 million is less than our FAs signed above that same threshold ?  I was interpreting the $1.75 million as a set standard for the 7th round comp pick floor since in years past that number fluctuated year-to-year.

The way I understood it is that anyone under 1.75 million is not involved in the equation at all.  It allows teams to pick up core guys earlier before the draft.  Good for teams and lower level core guys.  
 

Only Burris, Bridgewater, and Weatherly count right now for the formula.