Panthers alumni answer questions about Cam Newton

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Quoted for reference for when the goalposts start moving all over the place... again.

OK.. show me where I said I didnt have one. I'm not got to compare. You off on another tangent because you lost the debate on Cam. Period. Move on. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Bytes said:

Dude did I say I didnt? I just wont post my personal stuff like you. Your are the one making insults not me. Again I am not in a race with you. You have no idea about where I live or what my life is like. Let it got man. 

I didn't bring up degrees. You did. Never once have I made a comment about your personal life or where you live. I have no idea why you're even bringing that up.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Bytes said:

OK.. show me where I said I didnt have one. I'm not got to compare. You off on another tangent because you lost the debate on Cam. Period. Move on. 

You certainly implied you didn't have one in your temper tantrum. You've certainly displayed the lack of logical consistency and even very basic grammatical abilities that I'd expect out of a HS graduate. You don't realize that with each post you tell on yourself more and more. Just stop while you're behind. All you had to say a long time ago was that "Hey, I just don't like Cam" and I wouldn't have flogged the hell out of you and embarrassed you but this is evidently what you wanted.

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15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You certainly implied you didn't have one in your temper tantrum. You've certainly displayed the lack of logical consistency and even very basic grammatical abilities that I'd expect out of a HS graduate. You don't realize that with each post you tell on yourself more and more. Just stop while you're behind. All you had to say a long time ago was that "Hey, I just don't like Cam" and I wouldn't have flogged the hell out of you and embarrassed you but this is evidently what you wanted.

Oh man please.. OK. Dude with data I have won every debate we have had. Cam is an average passer by any measure. Cam is a great runner. Cam does not have a job. Those are facts backed up by data. Not what coaches, WRs, Front Offices , O Lines he didnt have. But with data. Everything else is just conjecture. 

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4 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Oh man please.. OK. Dude with data I have won every debate we have had. Cam is an average passer by any measure. Cam is a great runner. Cam does not have a job. Those are facts backed up by data. Not what coaches, WRs, Front Offices , O Lines he didnt have. But with data. Everything else is just conjecture. 

Keep thinking you're winning any debates. You can't "win" debates with blatant logical inconsistencies and intellectual dishonesty. Cam not being signed to an NFL team has no bearing on his past career as a Panther. 

The Panthers best years occurred with Cam completely carrying our offense and "fans" like you would rather poo on the guy than appreciate what we had.

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20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Keep thinking you're winning any debates. You can't "win" debates with blatant logical inconsistencies and intellectual dishonesty. Cam not being signed to an NFL team has no bearing on his past career as a Panther. 

The Panthers best years occurred with Cam completely carrying our offense and "fans" like you would rather poo on the guy than appreciate what we had.

So you really think that if Cam threw for say .... 4500 yard, 30 TDs and 10 INTs in 2018 he would be without a team? Even with the injuries. I think not. It's silly to say otherwise. Its like you going for a job and and the interviewer goes "We dont care that the last 9 years of your career were poor, we know you had a bad manager and your peers suck so we are going to hire you anyway!" Really? Not really. 

I appreciate him. I will say it again. I appreciate him. I respect him. But Cam was a mediocre passer and a great runner. Period. that was my only point. And I think its universally supported most people like their NFL QBs to better passers than runners. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

22 hours ago, RenoCarolina said:

 

Didn't say Tepper was mad.   I said he "lost" Tepper in that he wasn't going to bet a third season on Cam's health.  

No one is ever going to prove one way or another that Cam should have had surgery or even that he needed surgery.  I'm not privvy to the details of the 3 opinions and I am assuming no one on this board is either.  Add to that the nebulous nature of a lisfranc injury as it is.   Knowing how much Cam cares about the game and the Panthers and his own legacy I have no doubt he would have played if there was any chance of pulling that off.  

My entire issue with this is how quickly some can place 100% of the blame on Tepper and/or the front office.    Both sides were in untenable positions.  Given how terrible the choices were, and with all the other turnover and problems from the past years, I'm really impressed with how the Panthers have positioned themselves to compete in 2020.... if they get the chance.

 

 

Going based off his recovery, before surgery he was 10 weeks in without his foot feeling any better compared to after surgery in which he was able to pass a physical in March after a December surgery. 

only blame tepper gets is how the situation was handled, which was all time terrible, if he truly lost tepper than he should have been released after there was a market for a trade instead of leading him to believe he would be on the roster if he was healthy. 
 

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7 minutes ago, Bytes said:

So you really think that if Cam threw for say .... 4500 yard, 30 TDs and 10 INTs in 2018 he would be without a team? Even with the injuries. I think not. It's silly to say otherwise. Its like you going for a job and and the interviewer goes "We dont care that the last 9 years of your career were poor, we know you had a bad manager and your peers suck so we are going to hire you anyway!" Really? Not really. 

I appreciate him. I will say it again. I appreciate him. I respect him. But Cam was a mediocre passer and a great runner. Period. that was my only point. And I think its universally supported most people like their NFL QBs to better passers than runners. 

I think if teams didn't think he was already badly damaged goods he'd be signed.

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26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Keep thinking you're winning any debates. You can't "win" debates with blatant logical inconsistencies and intellectual dishonesty. Cam not being signed to an NFL team has no bearing on his past career as a Panther. 

The Panthers best years occurred with Cam completely carrying our offense and "fans" like you would rather poo on the guy than appreciate what we had.

Ok the best years came when Cam completely carried the team. I agree! But hey that still doesnt change one thing I say. If I had a car that got me where I am going but maxed out at 30 mph and I wanted one that at least made it to 60 so that I could keep up with traffic, is it wrong of me to want better? Sure Cam was fun.. but imaged what it have been like if he was a better passer? 

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21 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

Sure they do, in fact Tolbert's comments are a direct shot at Tepper (and Hurney). 

Tepper was owner and along with Hurney they were the top-2 executives during the 2nd round of shoulder issues (2018/2019) and the entire foot saga (2019/2020). 

In a radio interview today Hurney was put into a position where he had to defend his and Tepper's  medical staff (and broader organization)....

....you think Hurndog & Tepper are happy about that?

Tolbert has put himself squarely on the persona non grata list and while I doubt htey'd go to the lengths of denying him entry to Bank of America stadium if Mike wants to see a game he's going to have to buy his ticket and sit in the stands.

 

There’s no possible way to link a owner to the possibility of the medical staff botching a injury situation. That’s not his staff that was in place. 
If you call what hurney did defending idk what to tell you, but tepper is the furthest from blame if any info from Tolbert was true 

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I think if teams didn't think he was already badly damaged goods he'd be signed.

Dont disagree with you on that. Also if he was a better passer of course. 

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Waste of time unless you are bored. He is the classic, "I don't like Cam but will refuse to admit that is the case and defend my dislike for him intensely." 

And for you "I dont like facts"

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15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think if teams didn't think he was already badly damaged goods he'd be signed.

Fully agree here, regardless he will play again at some point and it will be important that he show strength in the passing game going forward. Vick was able to improve his passing game, so I have no doubt Cam will too. His shoulder just needs to hold up. In a way, being out the last couple years might have benefited him and we may see an entirely different type of QB once Cam starts again. He certainly is motivated.

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9 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Ok the best years came when Cam completely carried the team. I agree! But hey that still doesnt change one thing I say. If I had a car that got me where I am going but maxed out at 30 mph and I wanted one that at least made it to 60 so that I could keep up with traffic, is it wrong of me to want better? Sure Cam was fun.. but imaged what it have been like if he was a better passer? 

Why is still being debated ? It’s been proven that even with his deficiencies as a passer he still accomplished as much if not more that Matt Ryan, your  prime example, and more or the same as his peers who are not named Tom Brady or Aaron rodgers.