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QB Conundrum

WarHeel

By WarHeel,
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14 hours ago, Varking said:

If they were confident in him he would have gotten more money or more years. It’s a show me contract. As far as why not blame coaches... do you want them to say “hey we don’t have too much here but we will try to make it competitive”?

They would have given him more money or years? If this is how our front office approaches free agency, they are worse than I could have imagined. You get as close to a player's damn market value as possible. Overpaying for no purpose whatsoever is the front office decision-making of amateurs.

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2 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

They would have given him more money or years? If this is how our front office approaches free agency, they are worse than I could have imagined. You get as close to a player's damn market value as possible. Overpaying for no purpose whatsoever is the front office decision-making of amateurs.

If he was an actual franchise QB then neither more money, or more years would have been an overpay. 

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5 minutes ago, Varking said:

If Teddy wasn’t scared to take hits he would stand there a little longer to deliver a deeper ball. And I do watch All-22. I also attend a game each year and watch them live each week I don’t. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Teddy hasn’t left plenty of plays on the field. Sorry I’m at work or id type out longer replies for you. So if you are waiting for a reply at times thats why. 

Saying you attend one game every year is irrelevant to this discussion unless you've attended a game this year and watched Teddy.  What does "watch them live each week" mean?  Again, is that Fox's televised showing?  Because I've already explained that you can see very little of receivers on any given pass play unless they show a replay, which seldom happens for a receiver who was not the intended target.

No one is arguing that Teddy hasn't left plenty of plays on the field...that's a strawman.  I simply stated that all QBs leave plenty of plays on the field and I don't know that Teddy does it any more or less than any other QB.  If you watch the All-22 every week then why not shut me and everyone else up and show some clips?  Or if you're technologically challenged and don't know how to post a clip or GIF, even just some timestamps so I can refer to some of these plays and see where you're coming from.  Otherwise it just comes across as your perception being heavily influenced by those 3 or 4 plays they've shown on TV where Moore was open and Teddy didn't look his way.

There are a lot of reasons QBs get rid of the ball quickly rather than it being because "they're scared".  Play design...offensive scheme...taking the chunk yardage over a potential sack...not sure why you attribute that to fear.

And no I don't ever sit here and wait for a reply from anyone lol.

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26 minutes ago, raz said:

did you notice how many times he used the words 'i believe'?   beliefs and $5 will get you a happy meal

I mean honestly I prefer that over people who continuously frame their beliefs as fact.  As long as he's basing that opinion off of something substantive, which is TBD.

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12 minutes ago, Varking said:

If he was an actual franchise QB then neither more money, or more years would have been an overpay. 

He is what his market value is. It's that simple. I'm tired of hearing this "franchise QB" drum that you guys are beating nonstop. The problem with signing Teddy was that he's too good for a team needing to tank and compile picks.

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25 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

He is what his market value is. It's that simple. I'm tired of hearing this "franchise QB" drum that you guys are beating nonstop. The problem with signing Teddy was that he's too good for a team needing to tank and compile picks.

And we are tired of hearing that he is a franchise QB from posters here as well. That’s where this stems from. People comparing Teddy to some of the greats or some of the leagues best young talent. He isn’t on their level. He was a smart signing for three years that we will likely get one more out of him. 

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7 minutes ago, Varking said:

And we are tired of hearing that he is a franchise QB from posters here as well. That’s where this stems from. People comparing Teddy to some of the greats or some of the leagues best young talent. He isn’t on their level. He was a smart signing for three years that we will likely get one more out of him. 

Possibly more than a year, it really just depends on the upcoming draft and the direction we decide to go in. I am okay passing on riskier options at QB if we aren't in the Fields/Lawrence sweepstakes. 

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Possibly more than a year, I really just depends on the upcoming draft and the direction we decide to go in. I am okay passing on riskier options at QB if we aren't in the Fields/Lawrence sweepstakes. 

I’m ok with whoever we draft, honestly. None of them will look like an awful pick because we need a lot. 

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5 minutes ago, Varking said:

Looking back at that post: 0 times “I believe” was used. I did write “I think” once, however. 

 

2 hours ago, Varking said:

Just because stats are being accumulated doesn’t mean he is making the best read. And you used the term occasional. I did not. I think Teddy panics and forces the short pass too often because he is scared of taking hits. People complain about the line but I believe he has more time to throw left on the field and he checks down out of panic or habit. 

Not that I particularly care about this argument, but that's what he was referencing.

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