So what's wrong with Bridgewater?

[Mage]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

He got sacked 0 times and hit 3 times in the game. Okung was back and in most of the games Okung has played(which has not been nearly enough), we have had plenty of time to throw. Yet this was still one of his worst games for us this year. 

It isn't the pass protection, our offense is designed to get the ball out quickly. He's been sacked 19 times in 11 starts. In fact, he is currently at his lowest Sack/Game Started total in his entire career(Vikings, Jets and Saints). 

Yea people need to stop with the OL excuse. Our OL is about middle of the pack.

Teddy has great weapons and an average OL. Dude is what he is... a mediocre QB

[nctarheelreincarnated]

Just now, Mage said:

Yea people need to stop with the OL excuse. Our OL is about middle of the pack.

Teddy has great weapons and an average OL. Dude is what he is... a mediocre QB

That was a Mr. Scot thing. Saying the O-Line was terrible, even though they aren't. He did that for the vast majority of this year. 

However, even he is realizing Bridgewater is ass at this point. 

[mattnasty919]

I'm not sure why anybody expected more from teddy. He's exactly as I expected... I still think he has good value as a mentor for our next qb... Personally, I want to see PJ get some more reps before the season ends. He showed arm strength and I don't imagine he can be any worse than teddy in the 4th. Both have made some bonehead picks, but at least PJ is just a rookie. 

[WoahW]

Why is this a thread? Bridgewater has literally started full seasons prior to this one yet people are going to act like now he can’t? 
 

The lengths people go to try and defend him when he has multiple years of doing this very thing is mind boggling 

[Waldo]

If we are going to look at Teddy being be so much better earlier in the year, how much are we taking into account no preseason and how bad play was for longer this year? QBs were putting up ridiculous yards and completion percentages earlier, at least that's how it looked from the little I have seen.

It really looks like the line has taken a toll on Teddy. He still looks like himself but also beat down. Physically, mentally or both? No idea but he plays scared. It doesn't look fun to him anymore.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I was gonna post this too. To say it is fatigue is one of the most hilariously bad takes this board has seen in a long time.

And this particular argument has already been debunked, twice actually.

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, OldhamA said:

The contract tells me they were signing him to start for the next two years, with the opportunity to review his position in the third year if he blew them away / they couldn't find a suitable replacement (which is likely because finding good QBs is extremely difficult).

He's been signed as a solid starter to tide us over while we rebuild the (quite frankly awful) roster and install Rhule's culture (hence signings like Whitehead). Quite frankly, it's the second smartest thing this Franchise has done in recent history - after signing Rhule. 

For some reason people are hung up on the Franchise QB notion.  His contract doesn't suggest that they see him as that. He's a good QB - people are expecting him to be a great QB and tearing him down because he's not. 

He was mediocre yesterday, but usually he's kept the offence running efficiently and effectively. We don't have more wins on our record because the defence couldn't stop anyone for weeks at a time. Even with him being mediocre yesterday, he put us in a position to win the game. 

 

TL;DR - he's not the long term future, but he's by far the best QB on the roster. 

All valid.

2 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Speak to any MMA guy - taking punches / kicks / wrestling drains the energy from you. Those guys are extremely fit, but they blow up 5/10 minutes into a contest.

Exactly.

Ask anybody who's experienced both if they'd rather run five miles or get punched and kicked a dozen times.

[Mr. Scot]

32 minutes ago, Waldo said:

If we are going to look at Teddy being be so much better earlier in the year, how much are we taking into account no preseason and how bad play was for longer this year? QBs were putting up ridiculous yards and completion percentages earlier, at least that's how it looked from the little I have seen.

It really looks like the line has taken a toll on Teddy. He still looks like himself but also beat down. Physically, mentally or both? No idea but he plays scared. It doesn't look fun to him anymore.

This is the part of it that several people seem to be missing.

Football fatigue isn't just being tired. It's being beaten.

[Mage]

Except playing football does not compare to MMA whatsoever.

If Teddy, a QB, is so fatigued he can’t play well in Week 11, then that says a lot about his work ethic. Derrick Henry, a RB, literally plays HOF bully ball this time of year. But apparently TB is too fatigued? Ha.

[Proudiddy]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

And still got it wrong.

My argument has basically been that Bridgewater is better suited to limited duty, that he can be effective in a backup role but doesn't have what it takes physically to last a full season as a starter. I'd add that he probably doesn't have the skill to be a long-term starter, but could thrive as a backup.

This is what you're arguing against, but it doesn't sound like you've understood it.

Except I've been saying the same thing for weeks/months about his ideal role for reasons that aren't speculative, but tangible lol.  But, again, whatever works for you.

 

[Mage]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a QB being too fatigued lmao

EDIT - not including QBs who run a lot

How long has Teddy been in the NFL again?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

Except I've been saying the same thing for weeks/months about his ideal role for reasons that aren't speculative, but tangible lol.  But, again, whatever works for you.

Then why are you arguing against me saying it?

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Mage said:

Except playing football does not compare to MMA whatsoever.

If Teddy, a QB, is so fatigued he can’t play well in Week 11, then that says a lot about his work ethic. Derrick Henry, a RB, literally plays HOF bully ball this time of year. But apparently TB is too fatigued? Ha.

Nobody has questioned Bridgewater's work ethic, and this is a fallacy.

1 minute ago, Mage said:

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a QB being too fatigued lmao

How long has Teddy been in the NFL again?

You think football players aren't fatigued this far into the season?

Wow.

Any player would tell you that all of them are beaten up by this time of year. Heck, Jerome Bettis used to start the season like a house on fire but be far less effective come playoff time. Why? This same reason. His body had taken a beating.

Bridgewater definitely isn't built like Bettis. He's not built like Newton either. As mentioned, he was never viewed as the superior athlete.

It's pretty clear you don't understand the argument.

[Mage]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Nobody has questioned Bridgewater's work ethic, and this is a fallacy.

You think football players aren't fatigued this far into the season?

Wow.

Any player would tell you that all of them are beaten up by this time of year. Heck, Jerome Bettis used to start the season like a house on fire but be far less effective come playoff time. Why? This same reason. His body had taken a beating.

Bridgewater definitely isn't built like Bettis. He's not built like Newton either. As mentioned, he was never viewed as the superior athlete.

It's pretty clear you don't understand the argument.

Dude, if Bridgewater, a QUARTERBACK, is too fatigued to the point it isn’t letting him play well in Week 11, then that says more about him than anything else.

What a dog crap argument and excuse. You twist and turn everything. Yes, football players get fatigued, but it shouldn’t turn you into a bad player. You are just making an excuse for him.

Bridgewater isn’t a rookie. Fatigue is not an excuse. And if you think it is, then you never played sports. Fatigue is NEVER a good excuse. You think any HOF talent ever said “sorry I didn’t play well, I was tired”?

God I can’t believe this is even a debate. My mans is really blaming Teddy’s mediocre play on “fatigue” lol you do realize this is how Teddy plays... right? Like have you never seen him QB before this season? It has NOTHING to do with fatigue. Sorry man but this is just a really bad stance on your end