Would you trade the 39th and 61st picks for Justin Fields?

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Very curious what is your plan stay at #9 and what do we do at QB?

My plan is to let the guys in charge do a proper evaluation of all players, even the ones I'm not particularly fond of, and choose the best move to make for the franchise. 

But there's a laundry list of questions to be answered regarding the available QBs. For those in the draft, they have to be evaluated and their overall potential ranked. I don't see a franchise maker such as Burrow, Lawrence, Mahomes, Allen sitting there at 1. If they were, Chicago wouldn't be willing to trade out. That changes how I proceed from there. 

I add Minshew as a FA QB. We need a vet QB if we don't go after one of the top 3 available. Having him allows some freedom in the draft and you don't have to act out of desperation. Stroud/Young are likely going 1/2. Unless we're willing to pay a small fortune, we aren't getting either. I see Indy possibly moving up to 1 or Houston. Chicago could end up trading down twice, end up at 4 and still get Carter or Anderson which would be ideal for them. Someone is going to fall, Levis or AR, but how far. I'd sit at 9 because the Raiders or Atlanta could take one if they don't end up with LJ or AR. I think one does. That leaves us with choice of the 4th QB, or in position to trade back if we have a partner. 

Personally, I'd like to trade back into the teens or early 20s, pick up a couple extra 2s, grab Mayer or Battle in the 1st, and go into the 2nd with 4 picks. In the 2nd, I'd like to add Sewell with the 1st pick, Ika with the 2nd, Nolan Smith 3rd (don't know if he lasts that long), and then Hooker with the 4th. I like him as a prospect and while he does need development, he also has shown he doesn't wilt in the moment which I really like. That should give us a chance to evaluate Corral and Hooker both. Minshew isn't as bad as he's made out to be. 

Again, all this is dependent on where AR, LJ, and DC end up and how evaluations go. All of this is speculation and could change tomorrow. I trust the braintrust we have in the coaches' offices right now. There's over a century of experience in those rooms. Getting the right fit at QB is more important than necessarily getting the draft or FA darling. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

My plan is to let the guys in charge do a proper evaluation of all players, even the ones I'm not particularly fond of, and choose the best move to make for the franchise. 

But there's a laundry list of questions to be answered regarding the available QBs. For those in the draft, they have to be evaluated and their overall potential ranked. I don't see a franchise maker such as Burrow, Lawrence, Mahomes, Allen sitting there at 1. If they were, Chicago wouldn't be willing to trade out. That changes how I proceed from there. 

I add Minshew as a FA QB. We need a vet QB if we don't go after one of the top 3 available. Having him allows some freedom in the draft and you don't have to act out of desperation. Stroud/Young are likely going 1/2. Unless we're willing to pay a small fortune, we aren't getting either. I see Indy possibly moving up to 1 or Houston. Chicago could end up trading down twice, end up at 4 and still get Carter or Anderson which would be ideal for them. Someone is going to fall, Levis or AR, but how far. I'd sit at 9 because the Raiders or Atlanta could take one if they don't end up with LJ or AR. I think one does. That leaves us with choice of the 4th QB, or in position to trade back if we have a partner. 

Personally, I'd like to trade back into the teens or early 20s, pick up a couple extra 2s, grab Mayer or Battle in the 1st, and go into the 2nd with 4 picks. In the 2nd, I'd like to add Sewell with the 1st pick, Ika with the 2nd, Nolan Smith 3rd (don't know if he lasts that long), and then Hooker with the 4th. I like him as a prospect and while he does need development, he also has shown he doesn't wilt in the moment which I really like. That should give us a chance to evaluate Corral and Hooker both. Minshew isn't as bad as he's made out to be. 

Again, all this is dependent on where AR, LJ, and DC end up and how evaluations go. All of this is speculation and could change tomorrow. I trust the braintrust we have in the coaches' offices right now. There's over a century of experience in those rooms. Getting the right fit at QB is more important than necessarily getting the draft or FA darling. 

He doesn't know how to answer you, dude.

Here's the thing: You're approaching this as someone trying to have an adult conversation about football. That isn't what this is because our friend here either can't do that, isn't interested in doing that or both.

What's really happening here is much more akin to a parent trying to explain to a small child who's screaming that they want a PlayStation 5 why they can't have one right now.

They don't care what you have to say, they're not gonna listen to reason, they don't understand real world issues and concerns. And in the end, the best possible explanation you give is likely to be met with a response of "I DON'T CARE! I WANT IT!"

If you've followed his other conversations, you'll see exactly what I mean, and sadly why all the intelligent discussion in the world just isn't gonna register.

[CPcavedweller]

For two 2nd round picks this year and no players or future draft picks, plus we get to keep our first? With Jim Caldwell and Frank Reich? Running the Rams offense? Re-sign D'onta Foreman? DJ Moore, Terrace Marshall and hopefully Mims? 

Abso-fuging-LOOTely

I just wouldn't trade a 1st, or multiple 1sts, for him. I wouldn't trade 1st's for anyone. This team needs a core of talent. You don't get that by being a dumbass and trading away the only assets you have to build out your roster. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He doesn't know how to answer you, dude.

Here's the thing: You're approaching this as someone trying to have an adult conversation about football. That isn't what this is because our friend here either can't do that, isn't interested in doing that or both.

What's really happening here is much more akin to a parent trying to explain to a small child who's screaming that they want a PlayStation 5 why they can't have one right now.

They don't care what you have to say, they're not gonna listen to reason, they don't understand real world issues and concerns. And in the end, the best possible explanation you give is likely to be met with a response of "I DON'T CARE! I WANT IT!"

If you've followed his other conversations, you'll see exactly what I mean, and sadly why all the intelligent discussion in the world just isn't gonna register.

I know. I'm just hoping some other football discussions can come from it. Like turning our 1st into another 1 and a couple more 2s and what we could do with those resources. We could fill a lot of gaps by not being desperate. The Darnold trade shows how bad you get screwed when you're desperate.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

I know. I'm just hoping some other football discussions can come from it. Like turning our 1st into another 1 and a couple more 2s and what we could do with those resources. We could fill a lot of gaps by not being desperate. The Darnold trade shows how bad you get screwed when you're desperate.

Fair enough... 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Not a bad plan but Hooker has to be the future QB if we go that route. Im not sold on Hooker he looks like a career backup at best.

 

Minshew is not bad but im pretty sure if we go the vet QB/rookie QB route it will be Brissett just because he knows Frank and already played in his system. Minshew wouldn't be a bad 2nd option though.

 

I still think we need to trade up for the top 2 QB's. They are the clear cut best 2 QB's in the draft and with the right coaching they could develop into franchise QB's.

What's your plan if you can't get the top 2 qbs or LJ?