Everyone saying Moore is not the long term answer..

[uncpanther]

You need to give him a chance, he may be a diamond in the rough. He is 3-1 as a starter and that says a lot. A QB needs a good year under their belt of actual playing time before they usually show their true potential.

Also sitting back all this time watching Jake's poor mechanics and int's was not that helpful.

He was also playing without our best linemen and RB.

The guy is worth keeping on the roster even if we do draft or trade for a QB.

[Zod]

The very same people saying he is definitely not the long term answer would have ended Delhomme's career in NFL Eurpope

[panthers55]

You need to give him a chance, he may be a diamond in the rough. He is 3-1 as a starter and that says a lot. A QB needs a good year under their belt of actual playing time before they usually show their true potential.

Also sitting back all this time watching Jake's poor mechanics and int's was not that helpful.

He was also playing without our best linemen and RB.

The guy is worth keeping on the roster even if we do draft or trade for a QB.

I agree he needs some games to see what he can do. Still it doesn't take a year to see a quarterback's potential. Did it take Matt Ryan a year to show his potential or was his first game rating of 137 enough to show his potential? If Moore had come in and lit it up, all of the debate would be over. As it is, his 73 rating and scoring only 9 points on 5 turnovers wasn't good enough to erase the questions.

[Lout]

I think the coaching staff's unconfidence in Moore and inability to open up the playbook is what hurt Moore the most. The playcalling was limited, thus, not giving Moore many opportunities to showcase himself.. slowly but surely, the coaching staff will open up their playbook for him.

[uncpanther]

I agree he needs some games to see what he can do. Still it doesn't take a year to see a quarterback's potential. Did it take Matt Ryan a year to show his potential or was his first game rating of 137 enough to show his potential? If Moore had come in and lit it up, all of the debate would be over. As it is, his 73 rating and scoring only 9 points on 5 turnovers wasn't good enough to erase the questions.

Ryan is the exception not the rule, most QB's do not come straight out and light it up, not even Payton Manning.

[AceMan]

I agree he needs some games to see what he can do. Still it doesn't take a year to see a quarterback's potential. Did it take Matt Ryan a year to show his potential or was his first game rating of 137 enough to show his potential? If Moore had come in and lit it up, all of the debate would be over. As it is, his 73 rating and scoring only 9 points on 5 turnovers wasn't good enough to erase the questions.

Blame the coaching staff for that. This ultra-conservative crap has got to go. I do agree we need to see more games from him though.

[Frizzy350]

I agree he needs some games to see what he can do. Still it doesn't take a year to see a quarterback's potential. Did it take Matt Ryan a year to show his potential or was his first game rating of 137 enough to show his potential? If Moore had come in and lit it up, all of the debate would be over. As it is, his 73 rating and scoring only 9 points on 5 turnovers wasn't good enough to erase the questions.

uhh sometimes it take more then a year to see a qbs potential. look at drew brees. his few years were pretty bad in SD, and they were threatening to cut him if he didnt produce. look at him now.

[Urrymonster]

I agree he needs some games to see what he can do. Still it doesn't take a year to see a quarterback's potential. Did it take Matt Ryan a year to show his potential or was hid first game rating of 137 enough to show his potential? If Moore had come in and lit it up, all of the debate would be over. As it is, his 73 rating and scoring only 9 points on 5 turnovers wasn't good enough to erase the questions.

I agree with your assesment but not your reasoning.

He was not to blame for the point conversion off turnovers. As soon as we had a lead and our defense was creating turnovers, our offensive playcalling focused on not losing the game and hoping for a back to break a big one.

After the first couple of drives they were teeing off on Stewart, but Fox & Davidson were not interested in taking advantage of that, they only cared about not losing the lead and the game.

It took a passing play for us to get back into the game after drive after drive stalling with the run or passes which were netting under 8 yards. I completely understood the three runs after the long pass to Smith, we burnt nearly 3 mins off the clock and ensured a two score game. Problem with that though, was that there was nearly 8 minutes of football left in the game. If Freeman had scored on either of the subsequent red zone trips, we could have been in trouble.

I think next week will be a truer test, as if Fox and Davidson are that tentative against the Pats, then we will be eaten alive. They surely have to be more positive...

[panthers55]

Blame the coaching staff for that. This ultra-conservative crap has got to go. I do agree we need to see more games from him though.

Actually I read an interview where he said after the Smitty throw that the run on third down for example was his idea not Davidson's. Apparently he didn't want to make a mistake and wanted the 3 points. There is no telling if that happened other times or not. It would interesting to know who did put the brakes on.

[panthers55]

Ryan is the exception not the rule, most QB's do not come straight out and light it up, not even Payton Manning.

What about Josh Freeman his first game this year?

Came out with 3 Tds and 1 Int versus Green Bay in his first start. Rating of 87. Not really that much of an exception.

[panthers55]

I agree with your assesment but not your reasoning.

He was not to blame for the point conversion off turnovers. As soon as we had a lead and our defense was creating turnovers, our offensive playcalling focused on not losing the game and hoping for a back to break a big one.

After the first couple of drives they were teeing off on Stewart, but Fox & Davidson were not interested in taking advantage of that, they only cared about not losing the lead and the game.

It took a passing play for us to get back into the game after drive after drive stalling with the run or passes which were netting under 8 yards. I completely understood the three runs after the long pass to Smith, we burnt nearly 3 mins off the clock and ensured a two score game. Problem with that though, was that there was nearly 8 minutes of football left in the game. If Freeman had scored on either of the subsequent red zone trips, we could have been in trouble.

I think next week will be a truer test, as if Fox and Davidson are that tentative against the Pats, then we will be eaten alive. They surely have to be more positive...

Again who was holding things back. Was it Davidson or perhaps Moore. How many times did he run it out of a pass play. How many times did he go for the safe pass instead of throwing it down the field? Honestly I only know what I read but you shouldn't automatically assume that Davidson or Fox were the conservative ones.

[The Question]

I'm waiting to see him next weekend (assuming he hopefully gets the start)

Anyone making a decision in their minds at this point is an idiot.

[CRA]

Again who was holding things back. Was it Davidson or perhaps Moore. How many times did he run it out of a pass play. How many times did he go for the safe pass instead of throwing it down the field? Honestly I only know what I read but you shouldn't automatically assume that Davidson or Fox were the conservative ones.

:confused5: we shouldn't assume b/c we know it as fact?

the fact Moore made a smart check to run to ensure we got up by 2 scores instead of pulling a Delhomme.....doesn't mean Moore now gets the finger pointed at him as to why Fox is Fox.

[panthers55]

:confused5: we shouldn't assume b/c we know it as fact?

the fact Moore made a smart check to run to ensure we got up by 2 scores instead of pulling a Delhomme.....doesn't mean Moore now gets the finger pointed at him as to why Fox is Fox.

We don't have enough read on moore to know if he will turn it loose or not. You knew with jake he was going to sling it and that if the offense was conservative it wasn't due to him. Moore may or may not take chances. A quarterback can control the offense in a number of ways. Audibelize to a run instead of pass. Take the short 2 yard gain instead of the long pass etc. No one is saying that being conservative is bad or that he shouldn't have run although we had nothing to lose by throwing it. The field goal was assured and there was plenty of time on the clock either way. I am just saying that sometimes the quarterback can play not to lose either which makes a conservative offense reactionary.