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Something to consider for those not wanting a retread

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Of the last 10 Super Bowls, only 3 were first time coaches. Ironically on the same team, Cowher and later Tomlin. Billick with the 2001 Ravens.

Belicheat was a multiple winner.

Start with Holmgren, Shanahan, Vermiel, Gruden, Dungy and Coughlin.

So in the 10 year window from XXXIV- Rams to Pitt last year.

7 were retreads.

The 10 before that-only Holmgren was coaching his first time as a head coach.

I don't count Switzer because he coached at the college level and just showed up.

So in the last 20 SB wins. 4 were first time head coaches. I technically put Siefert in the same category as Switzer of inheriting a juggernaut and just staying out of the way.

Food for thought.

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Of the last 10 Super Bowls, only 3 were first time coaches. Ironically on the same team, Cowher and later Tomlin. Billick with the 2001 Ravens.

Belicheat was a multiple winner.

Start with Holmgren, Shanahan, Vermiel, Gruden, Dungy and Coughlin.

So in the 10 year window from XXXIV- Rams to Pitt last year.

7 were retreads.

The 10 before that-only Holmgren was coaching his first time as a head coach.

I don't count Switzer because he coached at the college level and just showed up.

So in the last 20 SB wins. 4 were first time head coaches.

Food for thought.

And all seven of those retreads have something in common. Anyone know what it is?

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never won a super bowl prior

Bingo. None of them had already won a Super Bowl. Only one had even been to it (Vermeil) and that was years before. Gruden came close.

No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with a second team after winning it before. A few have made it back, but no winners. Others (George Seifert, Jimmy Johnson, and even Joe Gibbs for example) haven't even sniffed it.

I'm not ready to bet that we'll be the first to break that trend.

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Bingo. None of them had already won a Super Bowl. Only one had even been to it (Vermeil) and that was years before. Gruden came close.

No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with a second team after winning it before. A few have made it back, but no winners. Others (George Seifert, Jimmy Johnson, and even Joe Gibbs for example) haven't even sniffed it.

I'm not ready to bet that we'll be the first to break that trend.

Correct. A strange way of eliminating Cowher.

Holmgren was the only one to take another team but he didn't win.

In fact, of all the retreads, I like him best simply on his track record of multiple team success. Same for Dungy but the winning it with the second team after already winning one goes against both of them as well.

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Correct. A strange way of eliminating Cowher.

Holmgren was the only one to take another team but he didn't win.

In fact, of all the retreads, I like him best simply on his track record of multiple team success. Same for Dungy but the winning it with the second team after already winning one goes against both of them as well.

Holmgren's Packers won the 1996 Super Bowl

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Correct. A strange way of eliminating Cowher.

Holmgren was the only one to take another team but he didn't win.

In fact, of all the retreads, I like him best simply on his track record of multiple team success. Same for Dungy but the winning it with the second team after already winning one goes against both of them as well.

A ridiculous statistic from a miniscule sample to make a HC hiring decision on.

This would be like saying no starting QB has ever won a Super Bowl with a second team. So we don't want Tom Brady or Peyton Manning under any circumstances! Brilliant logic.

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A ridiculous statistic from a miniscule sample to make a HC hiring decision on.

This would be like saying no starting QB has ever won a Super Bowl with a second team. So we don't want Tom Brady or Peyton Manning under any circumstances! Brilliant logic.

It has as much validity as pointing out that seven of ten were won by retreads.

The teams that have had success with retread coaches have been the ones who hired guys that have been close to the mountaintop, but haven't made it. Teams that have hired past Super Bowl winners have found varying degrees of success, but have never found Super Bowl victory.

Can you dispute the truth of those statements?

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