Can someone please tell me how the F...

[Squirrel]

Also MVP is someone you cant do without. That is the main reason I voted for Moore.

[Urrymonster]

If you could only resign one of the following players, who would it be

1.Steve Smith

2.D-Will

3.Jon Beason

4.J-Stew

5. Jordan Gross

6. Ryan Kalil

7. MATT MOORE

who would you resign? Anyone with brains picks one of the top six... so how is the bottom one MVP?!?!?!?!?!? I dont understand the logic here. We would keep our most valuable out of that group right? Than explain how thats Matt Moore?

That's the way I look at it as well. Although not nec. on your ordering.

[NFL Executive]

That's the way I look at it as well. Although not nec. on your ordering.

That isnt my order either... Im just saying

[Fox007]

This guy doesn't understand the difference between best player and most valuable.

Hint: they are not always one and the same.

[beastson]

Also MVP is someone you cant do without. That is the main reason I voted for Moore.

And if they dont perform well, then neither does the team

Hence, Jake as MVP hehe

I'm enjoying my birthday :party:

[Jangler]

Not that I necessarily agree with Moore being mvp, but here is my case for him.

The other positions buckled down well before Matt took over. The defense took a while to get its run defense intact, but irt keeping the other team from scoring, they have been playing well since the Dallas game. The running game took a few games to get going, but once it did, it has been spectacular. But even with those improvements, we were still losing because of the interceptions. Moore comes in, the int's stop, and all of a sudden we are winning. Moore was QB for half of our wins, even though he only started 5 games and against the toughest part of our schedule.

Also MVP is someone you cant do without. That is the main reason I voted for Moore.

I voted for Moore also. I really had to think about it but decided on Matt for the reasons stated. If Moore had not been on the list it would have been Beason. But to call Panther fans on this site homers,....well duh! Whether it be for a player or the team. I am a homer for the team, and I thought Matt Moore did more for the moral of the team and mind set going into next season than anybody.

[Urrymonster]

Meh, I can see where he is coming from and I think some people are being a touch over the top about this whole thing.

Can an MVP be anointed thus, if they have only played in a third of the season? I would be hesitant to say yes. Moore was not THE reason we won those games and he never threw the team on his back and carried them to the finish line. Each of his wins was accompanied by a stunning defensive performance AND a stunning running game. Very rarely did we get both of those clicking at the same time earlier in the season, yet there were a couple of guys who were bringing it every week, but needed the supporting cast to allow them to throw the team on their back. Moore was the supporting cast. He allowed Stew, Beason and Pep to actually contribute to wins.

Objectively speaking, there was often someone who performed better and had more of an impact than Moore in each of his starts.

On the flip side of the argument, Moore comes in and we win games. So it would in essence appear as if he was the missing catalyst.

It is not as clear cut as people are saying and frankly I find it hard giving it to someone who played 5 games. Does anyone genuinely believe the D plays THAT good without their motor in Beason or the game changing plays by Pep? Would Moore have done as well if the defense or running game was firing on all cylinders. I would hesitate to say yes.

Bottom line for me, is that Moore had it all in those 5 games, lights out defense and running game. What he did, was not turn the ball over and kept defenses honest, but frankly the defense and running game won it just as much as he did. Thus I can't give it to him. If he had one game where he was on his own AND pulled through I would agree.

Beason is our MVP.

[Pimpdaddy]

Because all of those guys were playing while we were still losing. Moore came in and the team started winning. It's not that hard to figure.

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Does this also imply we overpaid for Gross and Otah?

[NFL Executive]

Meh, I can see where he is coming from and I think some people are being a touch over the top about this whole thing.

Can an MVP be anointed thus, if they have only played in a third of the season? I would be hesitant to say yes. Moore was not THE reason we won those games and he never threw the team on his back and carried them to the finish line. Each of his wins was accompanied by a stunning defensive performance AND a stunning running game. Very rarely did we get both of those clicking at the same time earlier in the season, yet there were a couple of guys who were bringing it every week, but needed the supporting cast to allow them to throw the team on their back. Moore was the supporting cast. He allowed Stew, Beason and Pep to actually contribute to wins.

Objectively speaking, there was often someone who performed better and had more of an impact than Moore in each of his starts.

On the flip side of the argument, Moore comes in and we win games. So it would in essence appear as if he was the missing catalyst.

It is not as clear cut as people are saying and frankly I find it hard giving it to someone who played 5 games. Does anyone genuinely believe the D plays THAT good without their motor in Beason or the game changing plays by Pep? Would Moore have done as well if the defense or running game was firing on all cylinders. I would hesitate to say yes.

Bottom line for me, is that Moore had it all in those 5 games, lights out defense and running game. What he did, was not turn the ball over and kept defenses honest, but frankly the defense and running game won it just as much as he did. Thus I can't give it to him. If he had one game where he was on his own AND pulled through I would agree.

Beason is our MVP.

Exactly what he said. I couldnt agree more, word for word. Beason is our QB on D... do we think Matt Moore is a more valuable player on Offense than Jon Beason on D? I think not and anybody who still says Matt Moore is our MVP really cant back that up compared to the likes of Beason or the O-line. What would Matt Moore have been like without a D that ruined the Aints and the Giants? Or the Running game that J-Stew had against the Vikings, Aints, and Giants? He would have himself a losing record.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Meh, I can see where he is coming from and I think some people are being a touch over the top about this whole thing.

Can an MVP be anointed thus, if they have only played in a third of the season? I would be hesitant to say yes. Moore was not THE reason we won those games and he never threw the team on his back and carried them to the finish line. Each of his wins was accompanied by a stunning defensive performance AND a stunning running game. Very rarely did we get both of those clicking at the same time earlier in the season, yet there were a couple of guys who were bringing it every week, but needed the supporting cast to allow them to throw the team on their back. Moore was the supporting cast. He allowed Stew, Beason and Pep to actually contribute to wins.

Objectively speaking, there was often someone who performed better and had more of an impact than Moore in each of his starts.

On the flip side of the argument, Moore comes in and we win games. So it would in essence appear as if he was the missing catalyst.

It is not as clear cut as people are saying and frankly I find it hard giving it to someone who played 5 games. Does anyone genuinely believe the D plays THAT good without their motor in Beason or the game changing plays by Pep? Would Moore have done as well if the defense or running game was firing on all cylinders. I would hesitate to say yes.

Bottom line for me, is that Moore had it all in those 5 games, lights out defense and running game. What he did, was not turn the ball over and kept defenses honest, but frankly the defense and running game won it just as much as he did. Thus I can't give it to him. If he had one game where he was on his own AND pulled through I would agree.

Beason is our MVP.

Really, the guy never threw this team on his back? Matt Moore threw as many touchdown passes as Jake did, only Moore did it in FIVE games. Mathmatically he would have been on pace to throw at least 25 touchdown passes if he would have started from week one, which by the way is not the reason I voted Matt Moore for MVP.

[venom]

9. Sherrod Martin

11. Jeff King

12. Charles Johnson

13. Brad Hoover

14. Moose

this is a joke, right?

[Urrymonster]

Really the guy never threw this team on his back? He threw as many touchdown passes as Jake did in 5 games. Mathmatically he would have been on pace to throw at least 25 touchdown passes if he started from week one.

You can't talk hypothetically. You can only talk on the things that DID happen. He threw multiple touchdowns in two games, during which Stew ran for 315 yards and our defense held both teams to under 10 points. Give me one QB that would not thrive in that situation? Add in that our defense generated seven turnovers and it is no surprise the games were routs.

All I am saying is that is not cut and dry and that people need to start thinking about what would happen is Beason or Pep were out. You would likely see a big drop off, much like when they were injured earlier in the season. I really can't give our 'most valuable player' award to someone who did not even feature in the majority of the season. Contrary to popular belief, you also need to consider the losses. Who stood out in those games? Just because we go on to lose, does not mean they are void games...

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

You can't talk hypothetically. You can only talk on the things that DID happen. He threw multiple touchdowns in two games, during which Stew ran for 315 yards and our defense held both teams to under 10 points. Give me one QB that would not thrive in that situation? Add in that our defense generated seven turnovers and it is no surprise the games were routs.

All I am saying is that is not cut and dry and that people need to start thinking about what would happen is Beason or Pep were out. You would likely see a big drop off, much like when they were injured earlier in the season. I really can't give our 'most valuable player' award to someone who did not even feature in the majority of the season. Contrary to popular belief, you also need to consider the losses. Who stood out in those games? Just because we go on to lose, does not mean they are void games...

See this is where you messed up. Look at week 9 @ the Saints and week 11 vs. the Dolphins, there you will find a Quarterback that can NOT thrive in that situation.

By the way, your argument about the turnovers is null in void because not all of those turnovers were caused by Beason, and also Jonathan Stewart never rushed for 315 yards in one game. If he did he would be a record holder.

[PantherBrew]

See this is where you messed up. Look at week 9 @ the Saints and week 11 vs. the Dolphins, there you will find a Quarterback that can NOT thrive in that situation.

By the way, your argument about the turnovers is null in void because not all of those turnovers were caused by Beason, and also Jonathan Stewart never rushed for 315 yards in one game. If he did he would be a record holder.

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