Panther's positioning themselves for greatness

[House]

For the last few years the Panthers have been running on the ragged edge of the cap year after year. How they got to that position is somewhat complicated.

Part of it was the excitement of the FO upon going to the SB. They had a very good core of players that they felt they needed to lock up. So they handed out some large contracts to those players that were deemed essential. While pretty much everybody they paid was worth it at the time, it came back to bite them in the ass. Which leads us to reason #2.

Some very bad luck struck the Panthers in the form of star players with carreer ending/hampering injuries. Morgan suddenly become a paper doll, Davis fell apart, Peppers never reached his potential and even regressed some, Delhomme never became a better QB and lost his mojo.

Key FA that had everyone buzzing never panned out. Lucas, Wahle, Hartwig, Kemo (he never was worth the money). This was not so much the FO not doing their homework but just shitty luck.

All of these things coupled with young rising stars and the need to keep replacing the defunct pieces forced the Panther's into cap hell. They were paying for players that were not playing and needing money to pay their young guns. Forcing them into shady cap management by extending players to create space and manipulating contracts to make them friendly even if just for a year. Hurney's brilliance with the cap became his biggest downfall.

That all leads me to why the Panther's are positioning themselves for greatness now. They are using the uncapped year to clean the books and start over. They are making wise decisions on who is a key element and who is, no matter how good, just overpaid bagagge.

Some people on here are of the mind that JR is just being cheap and trying to help the NFL while hurting the team. The exact oppositte is true. JR is positioning this team so that in the years to come we will be cap friendly and loaded with great young talent. If the cap is gone for good then he has positioned this team to be cost friendly yet competitive. Depending on how the FO handles a few key future decisions, the type of team players come to not to get paid big bucks but to win championships.

[Fiz]

[scpanther22]

For the last few years the Panthers have been running on the ragged edge of the cap year after year. How they got to that position is somewhat complicated.

Part of it was the excitement of the FO upon going to the SB. They had a very good core of players that they felt they needed to lock up. So they handed out some large contracts to those players that were deemed essential. While pretty much everybody they paid was worth it at the time, it came back to bite them in the ass. Which leads us to reason #2.

Some very bad luck struck the Panthers in the form of star players with carreer ending/hampering injuries. Morgan suddenly become a paper doll, Davis fell apart, Peppers never reached his potential and even regressed some, Delhomme never became a better QB and lost his mojo.

Key FA that had everyone buzzing never panned out. Lucas, Wahle, Hartwig, Kemo (he never was worth the money). This was not so much the FO not doing their homework but just shitty luck.

All of these things coupled with young rising stars and the need to keep replacing the defunct pieces forced the Panther's into cap hell. They were paying for players that were not playing and needing money to pay their young guns. Forcing them into shady cap management by extending players to create space and manipulating contracts to make them friendly even if just for a year. Hurney's brilliance with the cap became his biggest downfall.

That all leads me to why the Panther's are positioning themselves for greatness now. They are using the uncapped year to clean the books and start over. They are making wise decisions on who is a key element and who is, no matter how good, just overpaid bagagge.

Some people on here are of the mind that JR is just being cheap and trying to help the NFL while hurting the team. The exact oppositte is true. JR is positioning this team so that in the years to come we will be cap friendly and loaded with great young talent. If the cap is gone for good then he has positioned this team to be cost friendly yet competitive. Depending on how the FO handles a few key future decisions, the type of team players come to not to get paid big bucks but to win championships.

Can not disagree..more.

Gantt had a good article on this some time ago.JR is putting the NFL first.Panthers 2nd

[holderoftruth]

Carolina needs to win now!!!!!

We cannot wait until 2013......the world is going to end in 2012, see the movie!!!

JK

[Fiz]

Can not disagree..more.

Gantt had a good article on this some time ago.JR is putting the NFL first.Panthers 2nd

honestly only one of the cuts was questionable, and it's only been free agency for like a day and a half.

let's wait before we start burning poo down.

[Metal_Sparty]

This picture is amazing.

[scpanther22]

honestly only one of the cuts was questionable, and it's only been free agency for like a day and a half.

let's wait before we start burning poo down.

I think the panthers will do fine.But JR motives were all for the NFL and business..IMO

[mick eye]

I do not feel JR is being cheap. The cuts made so far were ones that many saw coming.

Jake- should have been done b4 the extension.

Kemo- injury was fairly significant and we were on the line for some money.

Landon Johnson- backup linebacker who is easily replaced.

Diggs- an upgrade will be available if not already on the roster with Connor or Anderson.

Lewis- with Ed Johnson signing and the upcoming bonus he was expendable.

All these moves were made to get younger and free up money to extend our core players. I see nada wrong with it. I also trust the Panthers to draft well.

[mmmbeans]

For the last few years the Panthers have been running on the ragged edge of the cap year after year. How they got to that position is somewhat complicated.

Part of it was the excitement of the FO upon going to the SB. They had a very good core of players that they felt they needed to lock up. So they handed out some large contracts to those players that were deemed essential. While pretty much everybody they paid was worth it at the time, it came back to bite them in the ass. Which leads us to reason #2.

Some very bad luck struck the Panthers in the form of star players with carreer ending/hampering injuries. Morgan suddenly become a paper doll, Davis fell apart, Peppers never reached his potential and even regressed some, Delhomme never became a better QB and lost his mojo.

Key FA that had everyone buzzing never panned out. Lucas, Wahle, Hartwig, Kemo (he never was worth the money). This was not so much the FO not doing their homework but just shitty luck.

All of these things coupled with young rising stars and the need to keep replacing the defunct pieces forced the Panther's into cap hell. They were paying for players that were not playing and needing money to pay their young guns. Forcing them into shady cap management by extending players to create space and manipulating contracts to make them friendly even if just for a year. Hurney's brilliance with the cap became his biggest downfall.

That all leads me to why the Panther's are positioning themselves for greatness now. They are using the uncapped year to clean the books and start over. They are making wise decisions on who is a key element and who is, no matter how good, just overpaid bagagge.

Some people on here are of the mind that JR is just being cheap and trying to help the NFL while hurting the team. The exact oppositte is true. JR is positioning this team so that in the years to come we will be cap friendly and loaded with great young talent. If the cap is gone for good then he has positioned this team to be cost friendly yet competitive. Depending on how the FO handles a few key future decisions, the type of team players come to not to get paid big bucks but to win championships.

agreed.

[SmootsDaddy89]

I'm more upset about the players we haven't re-signed than the players we cut.

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

I do not feel JR is being cheap. The cuts made so far were ones that many saw coming.

Jake- should have been done b4 the extension.

Kemo- injury was fairly significant and we were on the line for some money.

Landon Johnson- backup linebacker who is easily replaced.

Diggs- an upgrade will be available if not already on the roster with Connor or Anderson.

Lewis- with Ed Johnson signing and the upcoming bonus he was expendable.

All these moves were made to get younger and free up money to extend our core players. I see nada wrong with it. I also trust the Panthers to draft well.

lets not forget about the FA that probably wont be back:

Tyler Brayton

A.J. Feeley (rams)

Louis Leonard

Rhys Lloyd

Josh McCown

Muhsin Muhammad

Julius Peppers (bears)

Quinton Teal

Hollis Thomas

Tank Tyler

Keydrick Vincent

Dante Wesley

Rob Pettiti

and the restricted players we could still lose (not without compensation)

James Anderson

Thomas Davis

Jeff King

Louis Leonard

Richard Marshall

Matt Moore

Tank Tyler

C.J. Wilson

[MadHatter]

lets not forget about the FA that probably wont be back:

Tyler Brayton

A.J. Feeley (rams)

Louis Leonard

Rhys Lloyd

Josh McCown

Muhsin Muhammad

Julius Peppers (bears)

Quinton Teal

Hollis Thomas

Tank Tyler

Keydrick Vincent

Dante Wesley

Rob Pettiti

and the restricted players we could still lose (not without compensation)

James Anderson

Thomas Davis

Jeff King

Louis Leonard

Richard Marshall

Matt Moore

Tank Tyler

C.J. Wilson

You really DO NOT understand the RFA process....do you?

We will not lose Anderson, Leonard, Tyler, and prob Marshall. Even if a team offers them a contract, we have the right to match that contract and sign them. This allows players (cough...cough...Marshall) who think their value is more than it really is to be set straight.

If someone offers him a fair contract, we will match it and sign him. If someone is willing to overpay, we let him go and take a 2nd round pick. If Marshall really believes he is worth a huge contract, he will be a UFA next year. If we lose him then (someone over paying him), then we get nothing.

Therefore, the Panthers have done a very good job tendering the RFA's.